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02-13-2014 , 06:55 AM
Chris was ratting out everyone he knew for months which is why Homeland Security did not immediately charge him. They had already caught him in June of last year (2012)
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02-13-2014 , 07:13 AM
He better not of had any bootleg copies of the masterpiece "Lucky You" or I'm going to be pissed!


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02-13-2014 , 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by patchohare
Homeland security has been investigating him since 2012 according to the latest article.

Is it common for homeland security to investigate copy right infringement cases? I have no idea, maybe someone else does?


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I just don't see why an agency that powerful didn't get a warrant until the "chip gate" investigation and after their suspect was already in custody?

It seems they knew where he got his merchandise, how he was importing it into the country, where and how it was then sold, and the profit he made from the transactions, yet no action until 3 weeks after he's brought in on another charge?

Seems odd, I'd think an agency like that could nail him when ever they wanted. One has to wonder what their motivation was in letting him continue operating w/ impunity for more than a year?

IDK guess they have more important issues to worry about then some dvds
If it's not a violent crime the feds will take their sweet time to do a thorough investigation and attempt to nail everyone involved.
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02-13-2014 , 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Cotton Hill
If casinos know it'll cost them $ if a tournament goes to absolute ****, they'll have much better protocols in place to make sure this doesn't happen.
no, they will start to not offer live poker tourneys like Event #1 because it is too much trouble
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02-13-2014 , 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Allworld23
I spoke with Lisa today from the Gaming Division. Of course, she stated it was "under investigation". I asked her for a time frame. She said, "2 weeks the latest" but probably sooner.
a time frame for? a resolution or suspension of game or frozen prize pool. which?
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02-13-2014 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by CSFurious
no, they will start to not offer live poker tourneys like Event #1 because it is too much trouble
Event 1 is so big what if the tournament was a buy in of like 500+ 100 and the tournament is online to start for day 1 with the same structure chopstacks. The 100$ vig gives you a free room for the night as well or something... I'm gonna guess there's actually 3000 people who played maybe less.
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02-13-2014 , 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Pokerlady68
Chris was ratting out everyone he knew for months which is why Homeland Security did not immediately charge him. They had already caught him in June of last year (2012)
Chris? First name basis hmmmm
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02-13-2014 , 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Pokerlady68
Chris was ratting out everyone he knew for months which is why Homeland Security did not immediately charge him. They had already caught him in June of last year (2012)
are you one of these people Shaheim Sheridan or Tiffany Decarlo?
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02-13-2014 , 01:18 PM
I can understand how Lusardi could become an informant for the feds after being caught importing or selling pirated DVDs. He could try to get reduced charges by informing them who he bought them from, delivery details, distribution network, etc.

But in the fake chips fiasco, it looks to me like a home-grown scheme, that he is now trying to turn into a complicated, convoluted conspiracy of Biblical proportions.

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Originally Posted by justbecauseican
Ok time some facts .
An arrest will be made Monday. Or I should say the responsible party will be turning themselves in on Monday.
There was NO inside involvement. This will be extremely bizarre as the reasons are complicated. There was never supposed to be extra chips added. It was more of a "set someone up" kinda thing. Any avid poker player knows its impossible to put 200 plus extra chips in play. If so the other 5 million would have been added too. What happened is some of the chips were "stolen" and put in play by probably several people. There are reasons and explanations that simply can't be revealed. Someday maybe? But the of the matter is this was NOT supposed to have happened. The state will be pressing the steepest charges they can by law. After all someone has to take the blame and punishment. I can tell you that the person responsible is at a loss for words at the mess. It is unforgivable, and for many never forgotten. One day the exact story shall prevail. Some time in jail will allow plenty of time for writing a book perhaps. Who knows.
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02-13-2014 , 01:38 PM
[QUOTE=RidgeRunner;42143551]
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Originally Posted by ngrund
not much of an update:


Lisa Spengler, a spokeswoman for the New Jersey Division of Gaming Enforcement, confirmed that the investigation continues. The division’s order suspending play remains in place, she said.

It remains unclear what will become of the buy-in money players’ paid as well as the prize pool. The tournament began Jan. 14 with a $560 buy-in for $20,000 chips. At the time play was halted, 27 people remained.


http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/n...9bb2963f4.html[/QUOTE


What do you mean "not much of an update"? One hell of an update as far as the meaning of cancelled goes.
I had always wondered who decided to 'cancel' rather than 'suspend pending investigation'. I figured if it was a casino employee that they should have been fired. And, in typical government fashion, if it was a NJDGE employee that they would be getting a promotion.
Looks like just a poor selection of words in the thread title now. Will this end the discussions of 'What the meaning of "is" is?'
I sent an email to Lisa to get some clarification, here is her reply:


From: "Lisa Spengler" <Lisa.Spengler@njdge.org>
Date: February 12, 2014 at 6:47:12 PM EST
To: <XXXXXX@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Press note

XXXX,

It was cancelled. Please review the Order on the website.

Lisa

XXXXX <XXXX@hotmail.com> 2/12/2014 6:42:56 PM >>>

Dear Ms Spengler,

Thx for your e-mail. Just one more question. News report quoting you using word "suspending"

{Quote " The division’s order suspending play remains in place, she said."}

Is that incorrect ?

Thx

XXXX

Sent from my iPhone
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02-13-2014 , 04:08 PM
said this before itt, but I can only imagine what would be going through my mind if I were one of the 27...
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02-13-2014 , 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by frommagio
To all of you who keep trying to ascribe one particular very narrow and legalistic meaning to the term "canceled" - please just stop. It's obvious that's not how they intended the word to be understood. The tournament was suspended, and they're figuring out what they should do.

I understand that some of you busted-out duffers want your entry refunded in full, but you can say that without making up crap formalisms that mandate it.

Am I right? You know I'm right.
no your wrong. it was cancelled
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02-13-2014 , 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by frommagio
To all of you who keep trying to ascribe one particular very narrow and legalistic meaning to the term "canceled" - please just stop. It's obvious that's not how they intended the word to be understood. The tournament was suspended, and they're figuring out what they should do.

I understand that some of you busted-out duffers want your entry refunded in full, but you can say that without making up crap formalisms that mandate it.

Am I right? You know I'm right.
!!!! What an ignorant duffer !!

As per NJDGE spoke person on February 12th:

From: "Lisa Spengler" <Lisa.Spengler@njdge.org>
Date: February 12, 2014 at 6:47:12 PM EST
To: <XXXXXX@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Press note

XXXX,

It was cancelled. Please review the Order on the website.

Lisa

XXXXX <XXXX@hotmail.com> 2/12/2014 6:42:56 PM >>>

Dear Ms Spengler,

Thx for your e-mail. Just one more question. News report quoting you using word "suspending"
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02-13-2014 , 07:33 PM
[QUOTE=riverph7;42161544]
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Originally Posted by RidgeRunner

I sent an email to Lisa to get some clarification, here is her reply:


From: "Lisa Spengler" <Lisa.Spengler@njdge.org>
Date: February 12, 2014 at 6:47:12 PM EST
To: <XXXXXX@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Press note

XXXX,

It was cancelled. Please review the Order on the website.

Lisa

XXXXX <XXXX@hotmail.com> 2/12/2014 6:42:56 PM >>>

Dear Ms Spengler,

Thx for your e-mail. Just one more question. News report quoting you using word "suspending"

{Quote " The division’s order suspending play remains in place, she said."}

Is that incorrect ?

Thx

XXXX

Sent from my iPhone

I had to look

http://www.nj.gov/oag/ge/rulingspendingactions.html

look at directors rulings Jan 16-31
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02-13-2014 , 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by patchohare

The questions that should be asked,

How long has Lusardi been selling fake tournament chips?

Who was he selling them to?
This.
DVD Copy business.
Counterfeit Chip business...

seems MUCH more logical use of FIVE Million in 5K chips, than a "homegrown" "one-man" job.

Does "set someone up" refer to positively helping someone in the tournament,
or
does it mean setting up some enemy of his, or possibly Men the Master, to get framed?

I bet there is a lot more to this story that hasn't come to light yet....
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02-13-2014 , 07:46 PM
Order does not really help. The citation says the have a right to "cease" the gaming. It then orders it is "cancelled" and later references a "suspension" (it was suspended first then cancelled).

Reg cited


​(b) ​The Division may at any time require the licensee to immediately cease any gaming tournament conducted, if the gaming tournament provided is in any material manner different from the description contained in the submission filed pursuant to (a) above or in any way compromises the security or integrity of gaming operations or the collection of gross revenue.

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02-13-2014 , 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ZomBParadox
This.
DVD Copy business.
Counterfeit Chip business...

seems MUCH more logical use of FIVE Million in 5K chips, than a "homegrown" "one-man" job.

Does "set someone up" refer to positively helping someone in the tournament,
or
does it mean setting up some enemy of his, or possibly Men the Master, to get framed?

I bet there is a lot more to this story that hasn't come to light yet....
i think you''re right because remember he had almost 3 million in chips
don't think he was planning to introduce all by himself
more to the story
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02-13-2014 , 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by riverph7
!!!! What an ignorant duffer !!

As per NJDGE spoke person on February 12th:

From: "Lisa Spengler" <Lisa.Spengler@njdge.org>
Date: February 12, 2014 at 6:47:12 PM EST
To: <XXXXXX@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Press note

XXXX,

It was cancelled. Please review the Order on the website.

Lisa

XXXXX <XXXX@hotmail.com> 2/12/2014 6:42:56 PM >>>

Dear Ms Spengler,

Thx for your e-mail. Just one more question. News report quoting you using word "suspending"
Tournament was suspended for suspicion of possible counterfeit chips. Once confirmation was made of the counterfeit chips, tournament was ordered to be canceled. These two events occurred on two different days.
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02-13-2014 , 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by chopstick
Permission to use your image on my blog, kind sir?
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02-14-2014 , 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by ZomBParadox
This.
DVD Copy business.
Counterfeit Chip business...

seems MUCH more logical use of FIVE Million in 5K chips, than a "homegrown" "one-man" job.

Does "set someone up" refer to positively helping someone in the tournament,
or
does it mean setting up some enemy of his, or possibly Men the Master, to get framed?

I bet there is a lot more to this story that hasn't come to light yet....
In the post about details not being able to come out in court.....added to "chris" ratting out everyone he knows, and had been working with DHS..... Like I said from the beginning widespread conspiracy.

I'm thinking Lusardi was "supposed" to set someone/crew/ring/ up. Possibly someone who has been bringing in Chinese made fakes for awhile.

He was likely involved in the fake chip business, except this year he was working for feds. I feel certain the chips found in the pipes weren't of the bad plastic spray painted variety.

he said it himself, someone has to take the rap, but I want everyone to know I didn't cheat(paraphrasing)
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02-14-2014 , 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Pokerlady68
Chris was ratting out everyone he knew for months which is why Homeland Security did not immediately charge him. They had already caught him in June of last year (2012)
So he was a CI for the fed for 19 months! he was busted in june 2012.

Why did the latest article, given to journalists from the investigating authorities, imply that they just got a warrant and raided his house AFTER "chip gate??"

Seems like blatant disinformation?

So he was basically an asset, he was working for them. In what capacity did he nark people out?

What kind of cases?

He had to be in constant contact. He had a handler, they would have known when he got the chips shipped in to the country, and that he went to NJ with them.

Who posted the chip receipt itt?

you've obviously been given immunity, help us understand

They caught him 19 months ago but continued to let shipments come in.

What was the play in NJ?

How did Lusardi get to AC, drive or fly?

Was he in AC to personally catch his box? (receive the mailed chips)
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02-14-2014 , 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by patchohare
In the post about details not being able to come out in court.....added to "chris" ratting out everyone he knows, and had been working with DHS..... Like I said from the beginning widespread conspiracy.

I'm thinking Lusardi was "supposed" to set someone/crew/ring/ up. Possibly someone who has been bringing in Chinese made fakes for awhile.

He was likely involved in the fake chip business, except this year he was working for feds. I feel certain the chips found in the pipes weren't of the bad plastic spray painted variety.

he said it himself, someone has to take the rap, but I want everyone to know I didn't cheat(paraphrasing)
If you're so sure of this, go back and check final table chip counts from other huge events. It's all public record. I'd wager no huge discrepancies though.
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02-14-2014 , 01:31 AM
Chainsaw, how do you know which chips are the fakes?
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02-14-2014 , 01:36 AM
I can't comprehend how someone can rely on the justbc posts as true.

We know he ordered the chips, altered the chips, brought the chips, solicited others to use the chips and had fake chips in his stack when he played/knocked out a poster yet people believe all the facts in the post in which he claims he did not cheat.
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