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Borgata finds counterfeit 5k chips in WPO #1-Cncls event-Arrest made-Lawsuit filed-*RULING OUT* Borgata finds counterfeit 5k chips in WPO #1-Cncls event-Arrest made-Lawsuit filed-*RULING OUT*

02-11-2014 , 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by riverph7
As per the report

".....He told investigators that he had numerous boxes shipped to the homes of friends and relatives to avoid detection."

When did he get the bail ? There was no report of him bailed out. Is NJDGE trying to hide the news of him out on the bail?
where does it say he got bailed? DVD investigation was ongoing since 2012
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02-11-2014 , 08:57 PM
not much of an update:


Lisa Spengler, a spokeswoman for the New Jersey Division of Gaming Enforcement, confirmed that the investigation continues. The division’s order suspending play remains in place, she said.

It remains unclear what will become of the buy-in money players’ paid as well as the prize pool. The tournament began Jan. 14 with a $560 buy-in for $20,000 chips. At the time play was halted, 27 people remained.


http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/n...9bb2963f4.html
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02-11-2014 , 10:16 PM
[QUOTE=ngrund;42142731]not much of an update:


Lisa Spengler, a spokeswoman for the New Jersey Division of Gaming Enforcement, confirmed that the investigation continues. The division’s order suspending play remains in place, she said.

It remains unclear what will become of the buy-in money players’ paid as well as the prize pool. The tournament began Jan. 14 with a $560 buy-in for $20,000 chips. At the time play was halted, 27 people remained.


http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/n...9bb2963f4.html[/QUOTE

What do you mean "not much of an update"? One hell of an update as far as the meaning of cancelled goes.
I had always wondered who decided to 'cancel' rather than 'suspend pending investigation'. I figured if it was a casino employee that they should have been fired. And, in typical government fashion, if it was a NJDGE employee that they would be getting a promotion.
Looks like just a poor selection of words in the thread title now. Will this end the discussions of 'What the meaning of "is" is?'
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02-11-2014 , 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by pipes
I don't understand where this Pandora's box comes in.

Bring in counterfeit chips.."hey, at the very least we will get a refund!" No, you will get many years in jail.

A tourney has to be canceled. Cancelling a tourney in the middle is very extreme and is this the only major one in the past decade? It will not be canceled if there is a colorup error or if someone is found with a few chips. Thus there will not be people sitting around yelling refund as you suggest would happen.
This tournament will set a precedent on how all future MTTs will handle cheating.
That is why refunding everyone is so dangerous.
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02-11-2014 , 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by therealsaltydog
This tournament will set a precedent on how all future MTTs will handle cheating.
That is why refunding everyone is so dangerous.
Not really. I can count on one finger the number of tourneys in past decade cancelled due to cheating. (That I know of at least)
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02-11-2014 , 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by pipes
Not really. I can count on one finger the number of tourneys in past decade cancelled due to cheating. (That I know of at least)
Exactly.

However, If everyone is refunded, that is about to change.
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02-11-2014 , 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by jjjou812
What would that be? Be specific.
Cancelled means the event is null and void; it is as if it never took place and all wagers are refunded. Here's an example from a Nevada gaming reg which pertains to parimutual races:

30.460 Cancelled contests.

1. If a contest is cancelled or declared “no contest,” refunds shall be granted on valid wagers in accordance with these regulations.

2. The State Steward has the authority to cancel wagering on an individual wagering interest or on an entire race. The State Steward can also cancel a pari-mutuel pool for a race or races if such action is necessary to insure fairness and to protect the integrity of the race.


http://gaming.nv.gov/modules/showdoc...ocumentid=2957

Or more on point, I'll reiterate an example I used earlier in this thread. In 1994, the MLB Season ended in the middle of September due to a labor strike and the World Series was cancelled. Bettors who had placed futures bets earlier in the year on who would win the AL & NL penants as well as on who would win the World Series all received refunds because the betting event(s) had been cancelled. It didn't matter if the team they had wagered on had already been mathematically eliminated from contention (busted out) or whether they were leading their respective division at the time of the strike. The "event" was cancelled and therefore all wagers were refunded.
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02-11-2014 , 11:19 PM
Part of Lusardi's restitution was going to be gving all entrants free dvd's, lol.
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02-11-2014 , 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by therealsaltydog
Exactly.

However, If everyone is refunded, that is about to change.
Explain please, and show your work.

Lusardi will get the book thrown at him. But despite that, you think people will be enticed enough by the possibility of a $560 refund to risk ten years in jail? Just for the "freeroll" as set by this "dangerous" precedent. Please address this point specifically.

In other words, the refund to all players is a tipping point that will create a new wave of counterfeiters?
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02-11-2014 , 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by DC2LV
The "event" was cancelled and therefore all wagers were refunded.
I don't think you can compare sports betting and tournament poker in this situation. I do not believe they meant to use the word cancelled when the tournament was halted.

The most logical thing they can do is probably: 1. ICM chop for the remaining players if none of them are involved 2. Some sort of comp for all the players that played in this event.

After all, everyone had to play under the same circumstances. And most of the players that played in the event probably never played with Lusardi at the same table (Some people are gona mention the butterfly effect - blah blah blah). People are just looking for hand outs as usual.
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02-12-2014 , 01:39 AM
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Originally Posted by VP$IP
I looked at the New Jersey Criminal Justice Process to try to determine what step we are on.

http://www.judiciary.state.nj.us/criminal/crproc.htm

The Criminal Justice Process
  • Intake
  • First Appearance
  • Bail
  • Right To Counsel
  • Substance Abuse Evaluations
  • Pre-Indictment Events
  • Plea Bargains
  • Pretrial Intervention Program (P.T.I.)
  • The Grand Jury
  • The Indictment Process
  • The Pre-Arraignment Conference and Arraignment
  • The Status and Pretrial Conferences
  • Trials
  • Presentence Investigations, Reports and Sentencing
  • Post-Conviction Motions
  • The "TEAM" concept in Criminal Case Processing

I believe the case is in the Pre-Indictment Events phase.

Unless there is a guilty plea, it looks like the case must be presented to a Grand Jury, and then within twenty-one days of the return of an indictment, a pre-arraignment conference is held. A formal arraignment occurs no later than 50 days after an indictment.

So ... there may not be an early resolution to this.

The wheels of justice (such as it is) turn slowly.
VP$IP:

Yes, the wheels of justice do indeed turn slowly. In the case of Mr. Lusardi, it looks like the wheels are going to turn very slowly. New Jersey prosecutors want to make sure they dot all the "i's" and cross all the "t's" and go strictly by the book. The NJDGE wants to make sure this professional criminal doesn't walk on a technicality. Also, with federal authorities finding 35,000 counterfeit DVDs in his home down in North Carolina, it's starting to look like lovable old Christian isn't going to plea bargain his way out of this one. (I wonder what the minimum sentence is for being found guilty of a single count of copyright infringement?)

My prediction is Mr. Lusardi gets convicted on enough charges (both state and federal) to ensure he spends the next 25 years behind bars. Authorities want to make an example out of this guy. They basically want to scare the s**t out of any morons who might be thinking about trying the same stunt.
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02-12-2014 , 02:13 AM
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Originally Posted by DC2LV
Cancelled means the event is null and void; it is as if it never took place and all wagers are refunded.

I dont see any definition of cancel that use null and void in either a law dictionary or regular dictionary.
Merrimans:
d : to call off usually without expectation of conducting or performing at a later time <cancel a football game>

Others defs include annul, destroy or omit.

It is hard to cancel something that is 97% completed. I think its interesting that the GC used the term suspended instead of canceled in the recent press statement


http://gaming.nv.gov/modules/showdoc...ocumentid=2957

while i think your reliance on the nev. code dealing with horse racing is misplaced, look at 26.170, which provides a different result depending on when the cancellation occurs..
jj

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02-12-2014 , 02:34 AM
An aside, the article indicates he made chips with spray paint with his daughter. Does this allow use to infer the shiny chips were the fakes......
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02-12-2014 , 03:54 AM
So, who's ready for the Spring Poker Open in April?
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02-12-2014 , 04:09 AM
Offender Details [vinelink.com]

Offender Name: CHRISTIAN LUSARDI
Offender ID:0100222778
Date of Birth:12/16/1971
Age: 42
Race: White
Gender: Male

Custody Status: In Custody
Location of Offender:Atlantic County Jail
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02-12-2014 , 04:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Alan C. Lawhon
VP$IP:

Yes, the wheels of justice do indeed turn slowly. In the case of Mr. Lusardi, it looks like the wheels are going to turn very slowly. New Jersey prosecutors want to make sure they dot all the "i's" and cross all the "t's" and go strictly by the book. The NJDGE wants to make sure this professional criminal doesn't walk on a technicality. Also, with federal authorities finding 35,000 counterfeit DVDs in his home down in North Carolina, it's starting to look like lovable old Christian isn't going to plea bargain his way out of this one. (I wonder what the minimum sentence is for being found guilty of a single count of copyright infringement?)

My prediction is Mr. Lusardi gets convicted on enough charges (both state and federal) to ensure he spends the next 25 years behind bars. Authorities want to make an example out of this guy. They basically want to scare the s**t out of any morons who might be thinking about trying the same stunt.
There's no way this guy spends the next 25 years in prison over this. And he doesn't deserve to spend 25 years over this, either. Stop with the nonsense already.
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02-12-2014 , 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Edgelooker1
Just curious if the people arrested with Lusardi in 2008 are also playing at the Borgata.

Shaheim has 6 cashes there, 5 since March 2013.

Anyone know if Shaheim played in this Borgata Winter Open Tournament also? Is there a public official entry list?
Guess he didn't play (along)...


http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/n...9bb2963f4.html

According to court documents, Lusardi came up with the idea of entering fake chips into the tournament at least six months before it took place. Investigators interviewed Shaheim Sheridan, of Fayetteville, N.C., in the course of the investigation.

He told authorities that Lusardi approached him with the idea of introducing counterfeit chips into a poker tournament in July, but he declined to participate in the scheme.
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02-12-2014 , 07:50 AM
Apparently from this quote there is a chance that the tournament is resumed. Note the use of the word suspended and play halted.

Lisa Spengler, a spokeswoman for the New Jersey Division of Gaming Enforcement, confirmed that the investigation continues. The division&rsquo;s order suspending play remains in place, she said.

It remains unclear what will become of the buy-in money players&rsquo; paid, as well as the prize pool. The tournament began Jan. 14 with a $560 buy-in for $20,000 chips. At the time play was halted, 27 people remained.
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02-12-2014 , 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by sba9630
Offender Details [vinelink.com]

Offender Name: CHRISTIAN LUSARDI
Offender ID:0100222778
Date of Birth:12/16/1971
Age: 42
Race: White
Gender: Male

Custody Status: In Custody
Location of Offender:Atlantic County Jail

Nice work !!

Thx
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02-12-2014 , 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by raisebot
There's no way this guy spends the next 25 years in prison over this. And he doesn't deserve to spend 25 years over this, either. Stop with the nonsense already.
cant speak to the DVD issue, but yes obv not anywhere close to 25 for chipgate.

But it wont matter, as wont take nearly that long for Bubba and gang to get their cuddle time with Lusardi and any other co-conspirators in Cell Block D (I'd give it about 4 days !)

And yes, for the pain he's caused I'd say that pending punishment fits the crime quite nicely.

Karma is a bitch as they say.

Here is some home video from Lusardi's new digs.

Last edited by PTLou; 02-12-2014 at 09:34 AM.
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02-12-2014 , 09:26 AM
It does seem like resuming play is best option.

I also think it's fair to say that no one else was helping Lusaridi as of yet, so they should treat every one else as innocent victims and replace chips with correct chips.

Wtf was the criminal thinking, did he really think he could get away with it obv not even half a brain. Seems like a really awful attempt.
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02-12-2014 , 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by PTLou
cant speak to the DVD issue, but yes obv not anywhere close to 25 for chipgate.

But it wont matter, as wont take nearly that long for Bubba and gang to get their cuddle time with Lusardi and any other co-conspirators in Cell Block D (I'd give it about 4 days !)

And yes, for the pain he's caused I'd say that pending punishment fits the crime quite nicely.

Karma is a bitch as they say.

Here is some home video from Lusardi's new digs.
sounds like the dvd case is much worse, I would bet he would of got at most 18 mos for chipgate with cooperation. as it stands now I wouldn't be surprised if he gets chipgate time ran concurrent with dvd time which would be more therefore actually getting nothing for chipgate except maybe restitution.
also not sure how bad thieves and conmen get treated by other inmates but I doubt it's as bad as you think.
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02-12-2014 , 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by pipes
Explain please, and show your work.

Lusardi will get the book thrown at him. But despite that, you think people will be enticed enough by the possibility of a $560 refund to risk ten years in jail? Just for the "freeroll" as set by this "dangerous" precedent. Please address this point specifically.

In other words, the refund to all players is a tipping point that will create a new wave of counterfeiters?
10 years in jail?? I seriously doubt it. Where did you get this info?

IMO, he is going to plea bargain down, by throwing a lot of others under the bus.

There is a much better chance of jail time for the pirated DVDs.

As for the $560 buyin why stop there. Main Event is 10k last time I checked.
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02-12-2014 , 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Jetlag
sounds like the dvd case is much worse, I would bet he would of got at most 18 mos for chipgate with cooperation. as it stands now I wouldn't be surprised if he gets chipgate time ran concurrent with dvd time which would be more therefore actually getting nothing for chipgate except maybe restitution.
also not sure how bad thieves and conmen get treated by other inmates but I doubt it's as bad as you think.
yeah, I was just having a little fun butt do feel he deserves all he gets in Jail.
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02-12-2014 , 11:14 AM
Blast from the past.
Last Activity: 01-23-2014 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by justbecauseican
Ok time some facts .
An arrest will be made Monday. Or I should say the responsible party will be turning themselves in on Monday.
There was NO inside involvement. This will be extremely bizarre as the reasons are complicated. There was never supposed to be extra chips added. It was more of a "set someone up" kinda thing. Any avid poker player knows its impossible to put 200 plus extra chips in play. If so the other 5 million would have been added too. What happened is some of the chips were "stolen" and put in play by probably several people. There are reasons and explanations that simply can't be revealed. Someday maybe? But the of the matter is this was NOT supposed to have happened. The state will be pressing the steepest charges they can by law. After all someone has to take the blame and punishment. I can tell you that the person responsible is at a loss for words at the mess. It is unforgivable, and for many never forgotten. One day the exact story shall prevail. Some time in jail will allow plenty of time for writing a book perhaps. Who knows.
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It's real. I'm the responsible party. Should hit the news Monday.
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Originally Posted by justbecauseican
I'm not guilty for the cheating, but I am responsible. I plan to accept responsibility. My name will be all over the net Monday.
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Originally Posted by justbecauseican
Men the Master had absolutely nothing to do with it. It not a SCHEME to cheat. You simply can't add junky looking spray painted chips to a tournament, obviously!! I'm not making this up. Not looking for a book deal. I was just saying that everyone deserves to know the real story. Those reasons can't be explained right now. Legal issues. I just felt that the players need to know what's gonna be happening. As far as the Borgata and reimbursement I have no idea. My best guess is that the chips fell in the hands of some young guns...and several of them added a few at a time. Probably didn't even cash. If surveillance has them on camera that I do not know. But chips were stolen and used, and that was not the purpose of them. Yes this is complicated and hard to comprehend, but that is all I can say at this point. Sorry doesn't even come close. I caused this mess, and I'll do some jail time and pay the piper. I'm sure everyone would prefer tarred and feathered thought.
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Originally Posted by justbecauseican
No.... nobody looking for attention. Some of it may not come out in court proceedings. Someone may be in jeopardy of harm if the facts came out in state court. I am waiting until Monday because I am trying to arrange bond etc. They are throwing harsh charges and very high bond. Plus I may not be going anywhere for a while. Getting some affairs in order. I'm sorry that it is confusing and frustrating. That is simply all I can say for now. Don't make accusations of who you think it was intended for as you will all be wrong. My reason for even posting was simply to let everyone know that this will end Monday as far as the criminal aspect. As far as refunds and such I would think Borgata will do the right thing. That's all for now. The only other thing I can mention is once I found out the chips made it into play, I flushed the rest down the toilet. Why the toilet? I don't know. If Harrah's had better plumbing I may not be posting this right now. Gotta go.
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Because this schmuck wants the poker community to know I did not personally cheat. Yes I have retained a lawyer. There is not much to hide. I care because if I were sitting wondering what the heck happened, I would want some info asap. My only point was for everyone to know that Monday I will be formally arrested and charged. I will accept the charges, do my punishment, and move on. Believe me or not. I don't care.
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