cameras have zoom. even if there are some spots then there are still cameras leading up to the dark spots.

Cameras not going to matter much if peeps were taking tourney chips to the food areas and such. Bathroom chip ups? They won't catch them on camera.

Also the fact that it's thousands of people right? Too many man hours to hope to find a needle in a haystack. Payback entries, finish the tourney and for god sake get some new tourney chips.

everyone got at least 2 5k chips from the start

I played day 1a of this and ended up doing pretty well finishing 47th. To everyone talking about the brand new sparkling looking ones..those were real. Just brand new like u thought. There was also the older looking non shiny and non sparkly ones. The difference between these two was minimal. The fake ones were not shiny or sparkly. They looked and felt different. So everyone talking about the sparkly ones they were given by the floors, this is not what the fake ones looked like. I handled a few fake ones. Have no idea what's gonna happen or what's fair for all parties. Gl to tab and his crew on trying to deal with this.

Im sure there are conference type rooms without cameras no? The rooms for Private business lectures and whatnot? Edit... Ive only been at cashier and saw line was gonna be forever towards end of late entry couple yrs ago and left.



Pulp Fiction on amc

All joking aside, Men the Master had a deep run in this tourney and with his history, every second he is on camera needs to be scrutinized. Every person he is seen talking to should be interviewed by the police.

If the event center has less security compared to the poker room it feels like just another thing to add to the impending lawsuit.

A $2 million dollar event in an event center less secure than there casino floor or poker room. (I will admit total speculation but still interesting.)

I would assume the event center has less cameras than the casino but who knows besides Borgata.

Idk, It doesnt seem he has been too visible in threads of the B lately. I think the notion would be a no brainer.

That chip on the right would likely been caught when being racked/staged imo. No way its from previous tournies.

hmm.. Also..

Honest Question. Is it the casino's responsibility to train dealers to recognize counterfeit chips? If not, should they start doing so?

This.

1) re fund every player that did not cash their money back

2) play the tournament out as is unless by tomorrow noon you have identified the guilty party to still be in , if they are in pull them out throw the book at them and play out the tournament

borgata will loose money but they have to do it and as much as they make let's not cry for them

pretty sure somebody on the inside is involved 1 way or another

I was gonna say how long can they use the same f*ing chips for every tourney?..series after series.

But RFID chips sound awesome. This is the first time I've heard of these.
Are there any casinos or tournament series that currently use these chips?

And I also think that tournaments with multiple starting days should have different chip sets for each starting day so people cant do what MM is talking about it that youtube video.

I'm hoping they catch these perps and lock em up.

nice brag about going deep

Another interesting aspect to all this: How hard will NJ gambling enforcement regulators come down on the Borgata? Not just in New Jersey, but in every state that licenses and regulates "legal" gambling - and takes a generous cut of the revenues from this government-condoned activity - the state has a vested interest in making sure the games are perceived as "fair" by the general public and all is on the up and up. That stream of revenue to the state is totally dependent on public trust and the perception that players aren't being systematically cheated while regulators look the other way. This case is about as blatant as it gets. If the New Jersey GCB doesn't come down hard on the Borgata for this breach, it will be just another nail in Atlantic City's coffin.

Yeah, especially when they are the same ones that are used for the daily $60 or whatever they are during the normal times of year

Only said that to gain some sort of credibility posting in NVG and that I'm not some rando who doesn't know what they are talking about on the situation. But obv knew someone would throw out the brag crap.

Isn't cheating a part of any sport. Online players just call it an edge. I say bravo if somebody dumped a million chips, and exposed how poorly these tournaments are run. Perhaps now we will focus on ways to prevent these tragic episodes.

Got him.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/27...-chips-565131/

Waiting 5 years to make his move. Well played sir.

Oscar

Not sure this was mentioned, but am sure not everyone may like this idea. However it is the fairest solution:

Increase prize pool to adjust to real number of chips in play. Borgata has to add entry fees that cover starting stacks that add up to the amount of fake chips. If 1M fake chips, 20k starting stacks, that would be 50 entries.

Why is this fair? You cant reimburse for the butterfly effect, but you can estimate the EV the whole field lost to be close to this amount. Don't have to pay more places, because people played according to the structure/bubble already. Just increase the payouts for each cash, as if tournament had more entries.

+ find, disqualify and punish cheaters

P.S. Lol - quality post there Oscar

Obvi it is. But the casinos can't even train dealers as to the rules of NLHE in a lot of the big field MTT's.

ha ha hate this..so if the cheaters are still in there they will get more money

And there could be people who got busted because they were covered by guys with pumped up stacks

+1

Aren't all major event's handled like this ?
What Casino has a Poker "Room" big enough for 5,000 +/- players

I played 1B and 1C. Few thoughts:

For 1C I was seated downstairs in the "Signature Room". I busted 1B with 15 mins left. I jumped right in reg line afterwards and headed to event center before realizing my table was downstairs. Clock had already started for upstairs. Hustled down to find the room wasn't open. Sat for 30 mins waiting for them to set it up and get dealers. I tweeted Tab and got a response from him. My twitter is j0brien2 if you guys want to check (I don't know how to insert twitter quotes on here). Tab stated that they ran out of dealers AND CHIPS. So we started behind everyone else. IDK how they dealt with tables breaking and combining upstairs when we were behind. FWIW a couple of the dealers they took right out of the pit and needed some coaching by the players.

Was railing for my buddy from dinner until he busted around 40th and was there for the color up and my gf even pointed out how the gray chips looked different when they were in the racks on the table afterwards. It was very obvious. Not going to give my opinion on what they should or could do because my opinion doesn't matter and I'm not informed enough to know what is possible.

Edit: As far as cameras go, I was actually looking in the Signature room and didn't see much for cameras in there. But there were plenty of untrained dealers and extra chips laying around. Also the cameras that were in the event center were no where near significant enough to monitor all activities. Lots of things could have happened in between those rooms and the event center.