Hmm, so you do believe that any refunds to players would spur on a new wave of counterfeiters. Interesting. I disagree with the whole, "Hey I may or not get jailtime, but let's make this a freeroll!"

Why stop with the 10K? Why not join the Big One for the One Drop and give everyone a million dollar freeroll? Plus you would be giving for a good cause at the same time. Win win

I have no idea how much time Lusardi will get. One year of my life is not $560 or 10K. I'm not sure what kind of great plea he will get. He is the ringleader. Usually it's other guys copping pleas to give up the ringleader. Not the other way around.

Though I will admit that many people here are saying stuff like they want to make an example of him. But it's not the Borgata of NJGC that is doing the sentencing. As a whole, society has a greater need to make examples of and throw the book at child molesters and so forth than simply stop one degen trying to steal from other degens and possibly hurting the rep of a casino.

So amend my thoughts to say maybe I'll guess something in the year or two range but I still think this "Pandora's Box opening due to giving refunds" is a truly ridiculous concept.

me too. if he's the little bitch we think he is I'm sure he will get his regardless of his crimes

I'm not a lawyer but i play one online. When the feds are investigating and they threaten you with a huge sentence (making over 1 million selling pirated DVDs will probably get him some serious charges) you generally plea to something and start talking because they probably can put you away for that long.

The other problem is New Jersey will want to make an example of him.

Overall, things don't look too good.

I agree. He doesn't have anything to trade. Revealing that he sold a few fake chips to some other loser would not help him much.

But he still might plead guilty.

The DVD case is in NC and would be prosecuted under NC or maybe federal law. The chip case is in NJ, so they are legally separate. The sentences cannot run concurrently.

There is A big clue in here about lucardi's potential partners in crime. Two weeks ago, riverph7 mentions the federal prosecutors. Lawson always wants everything to proceed like a good movie. Most good movies also make good dvds. Feds, dvds, undeserved refunds from Borgata: its all starting to make sense.

Maybe we are stuck in our own little, "the world revolves around us" bubble

If Lusardi is in line with a child molester, a rapist, and a guy who played the knockout game with an old lady where does he stand in terms of "being made an example"?

In the outside world, he was one degen trying to rob other degens of money. I'm guessing most of New Jersey doesn't give a damn

sure they could. they will most likely both be federal cases anyway

Some new names and info in this article:

http://www.journalnow.com/news/state...a4bcf6878.html

Any word on how or when the chips were actually introduced into play? After he went to the bathroom...

sounds intriguing, but not sure I follow what is starting to make sense ??

Louisiana man gets 2 years in prison for selling pirated movies, music [ice.gov]

...executed a search warrant at Norman's home where investigators seized more than 1,000 pirated DVDs and CDs worth an estimated retail value of at least $12,890...

Copyright terror: Man sentenced to 15 years in jail for selling 6 counterfeit discs [rt.com]

...sentenced to 15 years behind bars and another three under supervised release this week after pleading guilty to selling five counterfeit DVDs and one bootleg music CD...

...When investigators searched King’s home and businesses, they eventually turned up 10,510 counterfeit discs and the computer equipment they believe he used to manufacture the bootlegs...

Borgata should invite everyone who played the tournament back to the poker room then just dump $2mill in 100's on everyone and watch the madness happen. They can make it a TV show and make back all the money they lost.

I'm making the over/under on prison time is 48 months, NJ state pen.
The CD charges to run concurrently. 2nd question is-who will play cards with him in prison know his background.

Lol, the Borgata is the main victim in the crime the state of New Jersey does not care about poker degens. That's why he won't get off easy. If he just fixed a random poker game or cheated at a cash game he would get a slap on the wrist at most.

Plenty of nonviolent crimes get stiff sentences. Right or wrong. Insider trading, which is somewhat victimless is a major crime.

Pirating a million dollars worth of DVDs can get you some major time if the FBI is involved.

Sentence or served? I'll take under on served - up to $3k - your choice of escrow.

Offer stands for 24hrs

Lusardi obviously and definitely is a risk taker and has entrepreneurial skills. Hopefully when he gets his life back together he stays on the legal side of things.

Running a poker house
Running a pirated DVD movies business
Running his own Satellites, Communications Company

Cancel..... "to decide that something (such as a game, performance, etc.) will not happen"

They effectively canceled the remainder of the event. It will not happen!!

To all of you who keep trying to ascribe one particular very narrow and legalistic meaning to the term "canceled" - please just stop. It's obvious that's not how they intended the word to be understood. The tournament was suspended, and they're figuring out what they should do.

I understand that some of you busted-out duffers want your entry refunded in full, but you can say that without making up crap formalisms that mandate it.

Am I right? You know I'm right.

And the prizepool will be paid out in some form after the investigation. I guess they are going to have to go through a ton of video to see if anyone else is involved. But the chances of playing it out at a later date are probably close to zero and maybe Borgata will do something else for the other players if they choose. But i suppose you are not going to hear anything for awhile.

I guess they will have to post their WPT championship schedule soon.

I spoke with Lisa today from the Gaming Division. Of course, she stated it was "under investigation". I asked her for a time frame. She said, "2 weeks the latest" but probably sooner.

I'll take over all day long, 60 months min sentence. Everyone will play cards w/ him, he'll have money to gamble.

he'll do fed time for the dvd's and his state bid "could" be ran concurrent w/ his fed sentence, not the other way around.

He'd be flown out to Leavenworth for classification and then sent to a min security yard, (probably in the southeast closer to his home) because his jacket has nothing violent on it at all. Sorry guys, no "Bubba treatment" that your all rooting for.

Some thoughts, stick with me here,

This whole case is getting shadier by the minute. Homeland Security needed "chip gate" to get a warrant for his house??

All the sudden other poker player's names are being dropped in the media.

We had someone post a screen shot of receipts for the chips from china in this thread?

Is law enforcement posting in this thread?

Guy is smart enough to beat two previous cases. He ran an illegal gambling house. He allegedly made well over a mill(!) in illegal DVD sales online and at flea markets, yet acting alone, he's stashing chips in the Borg bathroom that his little girl made.... to cheat a $560 tourny?? Cmon

It's like I've been saying all along, the lone wolf one bad apple bs story. From the rip, piece by piece the "evidence" to support that narrative slowly has trickled out.

IDK "HE ordered plastic chips" HIS daughter helped HIM spray paint" "HE mailed them to HIS room" "HE hid them in the bathroom" "HIS ex and current girl are quoted implementing HIM alone?"

Did a member of the press fly to Fayetnam to interview the family? What news network paid for that travel?

Was it leaked from an official investigation? If so why?

How do you hide anything in a casino bathroom? CONSTANT maintenance, cleaning, emptying trash, changing out towels, toilet paper, and endless traffic? Let alone 200 chips!

Why mail the chips like they were work? Why couldn't he travel with them?

Why the crazy bail restrictions? Is this now a joint investigation?

The questions that should be asked,

How long has Lusardi been selling fake tournament chips?

Who was he selling them to?

The "obvious fake spray painted chips," Who were they for? Who was supposed to get set up?

2.7m more down the pipes? Were they the same as the ones found in the tournament? How many different "styles" of chips were there?

Why so many chips for just one guy to cheat?

Why was he outed publicly and placed under scrutiny after he finished the day as chip leader? his record instantly made public, The first an only suspect

More questions then answers imo

in justbecauseican's posts he says, "some of it may not come out in court proceedings."" Someone may be in jeopardy of harm if the facts came out in STATE COURT."

the fact that he alludes to not all evidence coming out in court and then specifies state court doesn't sit right with me. Interesting now the feds are involved.

he later says, "Don't make accusations of who you think it was intended for because you all will be wrong."

IDK something is just off about this guys posts. Some dude doing it just because he can? Someone involved but not Lusardi? Investigators said it was Lusardi though?

who is at harm? why can't the whole story be made public? Why a completely different story now about him acting alone, hiding them in the bathroom?

Investigators thought this was him, yet they raided the super 8 to pick him up. he says he already knew of the charges and was arranging bond?

Is it possible that he was in contact with law enforcement, negotiating turning himself in, but once he took to the internet and started talking they came for him because "they" didn't want him to talk? Or "someone" was afraid of what he might say?

Homeland security has been investigating him since 2012 according to the latest article.

Is it common for homeland security to investigate copy right infringement cases? I have no idea, maybe someone else does?

I just don't see why an agency that powerful didn't get a warrant until the "chip gate" investigation and after their suspect was already in custody?

It seems they knew where he got his merchandise, how he was importing it into the country, where and how it was then sold, and the profit he made from the transactions, yet no action until 3 weeks after he's brought in on another charge?

Seems odd, I'd think an agency like that could nail him when ever they wanted. One has to wonder what their motivation was in letting him continue operating w/ impunity for more than a year?

IDK guess they have more important issues to worry about then some dvds

I don't really care about the legal aspects of who's entitled to what, but to me the most common sense thing and the thing that's best for the future is a full refund for all participants that busted pre-cashing.

If casinos know it'll cost them $ if a tournament goes to absolute ****, they'll have much better protocols in place to make sure this doesn't happen.

It's the casinos responsiblity to make sure the tournament is run properly and it's clear they failed at that miserably, everyone who busted should get their money back.

If you wanna argue the legal shenanigans about why Borgata isn't required to do so, fine whatever, who cares, I'm just talking common sense not law nittery.