So what is the line on the proposition that at least one of the "cheaters" has posted ITT?

Depending on the severity (and cost) of any new security regulations imposed on the operators by the various state GCBs, this could kill large event - or even mid-size event - MTTs. Imagine this: The New Jersey GCB issues strict new regulations to the Borgata (and other New Jersey operators) dictating that dealers for large-field tournaments must demonstrate a certain minimum level of competence and proficiency. (This might mean that poker dealers must have attended a dealers school and passed a licensing exam before they are allowed to deal in a large-field tournament event.) That requirement would raise the cost of running these events. Requiring tournament chips to have RFID chips embedded within each tournament chip will also add cost. Formally instituting some of the other anti-cheating measures that have been mentioned in this thread will also increase the cost (and reduce the profits) of running these events.

If the operators decide: "Well, it's no big deal. We'll just raise the tournament entry fee enough to cover the added cost and it will be business as usual." I don't know about you, but there's no way in hell I'm going to enter a $500 buy-in tournament with a $150 entry fee.

Criminals always return to the scene of the crime. This thread is pretty much all inconclusive hyperbole, but I do hope the cheaters have wasted as much time as I have reading through this.

+140?

This would have the added benefit of discouraging anyone from introducing additional chips knowing that if they did they aren't going to win anything anyway.

Imagine if they had a clause that stated the tournament is null and void if additional chips are found to have been added. It would mean everyone participating is placing a lot of trust on their fellow players but certainly takes out the incentive to cheat in this way......also opens up opportunities to sabotage a tournament.

Not saying it's a faultless solution because I'm sure it would discourage a lot of people from playing but it would certainly eliminate the issue they face here.

Wow this sounds crazy but in a good way. I used to host home cash games that were the best in my town because I provided free food and booze, nice chairs and a pro table, but looking back I cringe. I'd have $10K of buyins stuffed into a crown royal bag and get pissed drunk. Sometimes seven or eight people would be sitting in my living room playing playstation waiting to get into the game. Oh what fun, oh what a **** show. Thank god I never got robbed.

try doing it for 4000 players...

Message to the Borgata: Turn a negative into a positive. You figure it out

I tried to read it all, but I'm assuming that no one was caught, there's no suspects and the Borgata is going to "hold their cards close to their chest!" Bahahaahhahahahaha.

No but seriously, no news other than there were counterfeit chips at the Borgata and everyone thinks this Tab guy stinks?

I don't see why dealers couldn't be required to count and record chip stacks at every break. This would take no time out of the tournament and would provide data on everyone's stack at 2 hour intervals.

Yes someone could add chips to their stack at any time but it would be a risk and there would be only 10 suspects.

Anyone saying that all non cashers should be paid is delusional. That will never happen and to request money back when you busted beforehand is just LOL.

How about coming up with a reasonable solution and letting borgata figure out their end. did it suck......yes! Was their cheating.....yes! Will most of you go back......yes.

In a nut shell:

There was more than a million more chips in play than should have been. Fake 5K chips

New Jersey gaming is investigating and they canceled the tournament with 27 of over 4000 left and 350K (about) at the top.

No news yet from Gaming regarding who/what/why/when

Everyone has their own opinion on new industry standards.

Tab and the Borgata run one of the best tournaments in the country, but everyone who has ever been pissed at Tab or the Borgata is posting on this thread

You would be able to cut down to a time frame when chips were added in this scenario unless the player adds. 25 k in fake chips and when he gets up takes a 25 k chip I mean this would help....if numbers are off significantly call security to look to some extent. This wouldn't solve everything because sometimes dealers can be wrong when counting it would just help is all.

Doubt it I'm not going back unless I'm refunded I paid a house fee and expected some security. I think your a moron for saying everyone is delusional. It's not just one person bringing in chips.... Borgata failed with warning signs . Like I said before if I owned a car shop and you left your car with me and it gets vandalized and I don't have proper cameras to find out who did it. I'm not gonna say oh well to bad so sad for you. I'm gonna saves name fix your car pay for vandalism and I myself will search out who vandalized it on my property through police. There is an expectation borgata didn't meet they took a risk and it finally happened someone exposed it.so in a sense borgata gambled and lost. The house lost on this one.

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There will definitely be arrests. These morons have messed with the one thing that really matters to the state of New Jersey: The public's confidence in the safety and integrity of the games these casinos offer. This is comparable to the moment in the movie "Network" when Ned Beatty's character explains to Howard Beale how the world really works and Beale thinks he has just been struck with a revelation from God.

To make a solid case, the prosecutors are going to have to get one of the horses to roll over on the ring leader. They'll have to cut a deal with one or more of the minor players in this scam in order to nail the ring leader. They'll determine which one of the "minnows" they have the most evidence against and hit him or her with enough charges to make him or her poop their pants. Once he/she is sufficiently freaked out, they'll offer a deal: In exchange for your full and complete testimony - including testifying against your accomplices under oath in court - we'll accept a plea of guilty to a single charge and recommend to the judge that you receive a light sentence. (This is exactly how the federal government goes after top-level Mafiosi - they "persuade" the underlings to rat out their bosses. That's how they finally nailed John Gotti - they got Sammy "The Bull" Gravano to turn on his boss.)

One of the minnows will surely rat out his fellow cheaters. The real target is going to be the ring leader. The state of New Jersey (and the entire B&M industry) is going to be looking to nail his a** to the cross. You can count on it.

Would you say that Borgata got pwned per se?

If nothing else it would at least discourage cheating to some degree and is easy to implement without affecting the tournament. Add in verification at the end of the day and at the start of the next day and you have a series of checkpoints that are outside the tournament playing hours so have no impact on the running of the tournament.

The following is from the DGE website:

Monitoring Casino Operations: DGE state investigators monitor day-to-day casino operations on site and around the clock to assure regulatory compliance and investigate violations. In addition to addressing regulatory concerns, the unique criminal law enforcement concerns of casinos are handled by New Jersey State Police assigned to the DGE and prosecuted by the Division of Criminal Justice's Casino Prosecutions Bureau.


As a former prosecutor with the Division of Criminal Justice, i can confidently say that if the evidence is there, the crooks will be arrested and prosecuted.

First we are not being paid! We are being refunded! I live in the south and drive past many casinos to play at Borgata. Why? Because they have the best poker, imo. Anything less than a refund of my vig and i will never go back and play a poker tounament. The game was compromised and Borgata failed. Simple. I have played the first event every January for years and most in September too. This one was by far the worst i have ever seen from a management stand point. I played b&c busting levels 12&15 respectively. I may have not been cheated by a fake chip but i was cheated by having 75% of my dealers who were on their first downs. I never seen so many cards exposed in my years playing poker in one tournament, dealers that couldnt shuffle, extremely slow dealing, and pot mismanagement. This cheating scandal was just icing on the cake for me.

This is business my friend and when someone screws you in business you never forget

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The TD could add up all the numbers after the break it would take 10 minutes to do 1800 chip stacks and a calculator it's not fool proof but helps I like it it's simple and works with what casinos have with no upgrades.

All players deserve at a minimum their $60 back. That fee is supposed to help ensure the security of the game and it did not.

Well I for one have already cancelled my plans to play the main event. I know others doing the same. We are boycotting the rest of the events. Anything short of a refund and I won't be playing at the Borgata for the forseeable future. I'm sure the WPT won't be happy if the numbers are down. You will all miss me, I usually donk off my chips before the money.

heard dealer/s may be involved

So we all entered a tournament that was filled with cheaters so it's fair forus to not expect a refund? The 60 is to pay borgata to do their job. They can keep the. 60 they did a bad job so I get my purchase back of my seat.

Over/under on getting refunds or anyone going to jail, anyone?