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07-31-2023 , 08:08 AM
Is the obvious ChatGPT posting a joke btw? You cant even formulate your own arguments and replies to simple questions.
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07-31-2023 , 09:25 AM
title is somewhat misleading, i guess OP english is not his first language, i see two incidents of players getting their accounts shut down if i am reading this correctly?

GG poker have been known to shut down accounts randomly and yes they were known in the past to ban winning players who were bad for the ecology, it seems that these incidents have become less and less over the years but it still happens.

These incidents are very nuanced, we cannot for one know what these players did or didn't do, all we know is GG poker security picked up something, only the security team and the players in question will know what went on,

i would never use teamviewer whilst playing, that is a risk you take when you record your sessions or whatnot that these incidents can be picked up and cause possible complications
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07-31-2023 , 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Solving Live Poker
"Despite my strong believe in my innocence."

Ummmm, I'm hoping this is just bad wording. Otherwise, this is what people say when they are doing something in grey areas.
Haha exactly... it's like the phrase "that is my truth." At some point in my lifetime, that became a common utterance. And right or wrong, when I hear the phrase, my first instinct is to find out what really happened, because I always take "my truth" to mean "how I chose to see it."
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07-31-2023 , 02:55 PM
Seems like the summary is this:

“Even though I played GG Poker with banned s/w running in the background, I pinky swear I didn’t actually use the s/w”.

LOL.
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07-31-2023 , 07:10 PM
Number one thing ex SSSR poker player loves - money. Parents and family probably out of top 5.

Few exceptions have to suffer because 99,99% of them are willing to cheat/angle/gray zone the rules for 0.0000000001 bb since the Christ because every dollar given is a blessing for Gucci and shisha.
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07-31-2023 , 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Hofr
Hello everyone. Many MTT players may have encountered me at the tables in 100+ tournaments under the nicknames Hofr on PS, GodspeedYou! on GG, and ArkaduktusFrRM on WPN. I am a member of Tyler's team, where I serve as one of the main coaches, and I also lead my group within the RSB team. People who have interacted with me can vouch for the fact that poker is my passion. I literally live and breathe poker because I don't excel at anything else like I do in Hold'em.

Therefore, it was particularly strange and unpleasant for me to find myself in the position GGPoker put me in. I got banned for something related to remote desktops, screen-sharing programs, and emulators. They took this action without providing any explanations, evidence, instances of suspicious hands, or proof of my use of prohibited software. Moreover, even GGPoker itself hasn't definitively decided whether I am a cheater, as they allowed me to withdraw all my funds.

Despite my strong belief in my innocence and my readiness to provide any evidence to support it, I was met with a flat denial, with GGPoker stating that their decision is final.

Such decisions cast doubt on the security of any of us - members of the poker community. Because if today they can simply come and ban a fairly well-known player who plays at a significant stake, then tomorrow, similar measures could affect any of you. Anyone who decides to stream their game to friends via Discord, anyone who runs OBS, opens a remote server alongside a working client even without active tables, or just accidentally gets caught in the trap of poorly functioning algorithms.

I understand that many of you who don't know me personally might hesitate to vouch for my honesty, or whether I use any cheating aids as GGPoker accuses. But I am willing to undergo any checks, demonstrate my level of competence to anyone, record a session with ten cameras, and explain any of my actions to a person with the necessary expertise to assess whether I am an honest player.

As a precautionary note, let me clarify that I play all my sessions simultaneously on the three aforementioned poker rooms, which already significantly complicates the use of any prohibited software. Additionally, my Sharkscope graph, which serves as undeniable proof of my skills, is open to everyone and contains all the necessary information to observe my journey from the $30 ABI to the limits where I am currently playing.

Below, I am attaching a list of rules according to which GGPoker issued a ban to me. Since they did not specify the exact reason for the blocking, I can only speculate. For educational purposes for myself and my students, I use a server accessed through the "remote desktop" program. It is evident that I wouldn't risk using such tools during an active session. However, there is a possibility that I performed calculations before the session and, after closing the direct connection to the remote desktop, might have left the program itself running, which would still be listed in the task manager as "remote desktop" but wouldn't perform any direct functions. Alternatively, I might have gone to do some calculations after the session while leaving the GGPoker client open. For players who are not well-informed, I should add that even a 3-max calculation in Simple Postflop takes several minutes, and a calculation for a full table could take several hours, making it practically impossible to benefit from during regular play. On the GGPoker website, I have been playing for over three years, and the security service has the capability to track how many sessions I have played in total and how many of them were played with prohibited software running in parallel.


Now it remains only to classify the violation I committed in order to understand whether it deserves a ban or a freeze with verification according to GGPoker's rules. Among possible violations are:

Using RTA (Real-Time Assistance).
Multi-accounting.
Using bots.
The above-mentioned violations undoubtedly fall into the category of serious offenses and should result in a ban for the offending person. Can my violation be classified as one of the above? In my view, it cannot.

Let me clarify about RTA. Using RTA in MTTs is equivalent to suicide. On the same board, with the same stack sizes and positions, the frequency of continuation betting can vary from 0% to 100% depending on the ICM (Independent Chip Model) component, which includes the tournament stage, the other stacks at the table, and so on. Additionally, GGPoker or my opponents, who have sufficient statistics on me, have the right to analyze my database for compliance with GTO (Game Theory Optimal) strategies. I can assure you that almost none of my statistics align with the frequencies suggested by GTO.
I am going to tell you the same thing I tell anyone who plays poker online for serious money. You should have one desktop for playing poker and one for everything else.
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07-31-2023 , 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by TRUSTtheDRAWCESS

GG has repeatedly shown itself to be a scummy poker site that uses suspect accusations to ban winning players, has extortionate rake at all stakes (and tried to make it even higher at HS) and generally just does not care about the poker ecosystem.
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Originally Posted by jayme87

GG poker have been known to shut down accounts randomly and yes they were known in the past to ban winning players who were bad for the ecology, it seems that these incidents have become less and less over the years but it still happens.
People who got banned in the past they used some form of RTA (charts) and gg gave them a second chance because it was light offense. The other group of players were known bumhunters who got banned because it is against the site's tos

I have very high ev bb /100 playing in gg abi 300$, more than 8 and i also won more $ than hofr in half the games (pretty sure my ev bb is higher too in the same stakes since i played against this guy)(talking about 10_60bb eff, he might be better deepstack since i am trash)



Gg/ps never banned me. To say that any site is banning winning players, without them cheating is just ret.arded

Last edited by belthazorrrrr; 07-31-2023 at 09:25 PM.
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07-31-2023 , 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
I am going to tell you the same thing I tell anyone who plays poker online for serious money. You should have one desktop for playing poker and one for everything else.
never thought about this but you’re right. might have to get myself another desktop.
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08-01-2023 , 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by TylerRM
In light of recent comments expressing concerns about the use of solvers by poker coaches, we believe it is crucial to shed light on the positive impact coaches have on the poker ecosystem. While we understand the sentiment behind the statement, it is essential to recognize the multifaceted contributions of poker coaches that benefit the poker community as a whole.

1. Skill Development and Fair Play: Poker coaches play a pivotal role in educating players about poker strategy, hand analysis, and ethical decision-making. Their expertise helps players improve their skills and encourages fair play across the board.

2. Nurturing a Supportive Community: Coaches create platforms for players to connect, share knowledge, and grow together. This supportive community fosters a culture of learning and collaboration, benefitting players of all skill levels.

3. Promoting Responsible Gaming: Many coaches emphasize the importance of responsible gaming and bankroll management. By educating players about the potential risks of gambling, coaches contribute to a healthier and sustainable poker community.

4. Attracting and Retaining New Players: Effective coaching attracts new players to the game and helps them develop their poker skills. A larger and more diverse player base contributes to more vibrant tournaments and increased prize pools.

5. Challenging the Best: Poker tournaments bring together players of all skill levels. Coaches prepare players to face tough competition, enhancing the competitive aspect of the game and making it more exciting for all participants.

6. Elevating Tournament Guarantees: As players improve their skills under the guidance of coaches, they can confidently enter higher stakes tournaments. This, in turn, contributes to the growth of tournament guarantees, benefitting the poker community.

It is essential to recognize that while some individuals may misuse solvers, not all coaches engage in such practices. Many dedicated coaches genuinely strive to improve the poker community by nurturing skillful and ethical players. Rather than dismissing all coaches, let us engage in constructive discussions about responsible coaching practices and how they can continue to positively impact the poker ecosystem.
Stop it ,overall these coaches are massive net negatives for poker.

Next you'll try and tell me stables are good for poker as well.
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08-01-2023 , 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by borg23
Stop it ,overall these coaches are massive net negatives for poker.

Next you'll try and tell me stables are good for poker as well.
Agreed, a vibrant healthy community means that there are plenty of people out there getting their teeth kicked in
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08-02-2023 , 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by TylerRM
I told him - better to sound like a cult-leader with ChatGPT, than this with Google Translate.
We are not native, sorry.
$500k winnings can't afford a human writer with professional PR experience lmao
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08-02-2023 , 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by borg23
Next you'll try and tell me stables are good for poker as well.
Stables, also known as poker staking groups or poker backing groups, can be beneficial for the poker ecosystem in several ways. Here are some reasons why stables are considered good for the poker community:

1. Financial Support for Players: Stables provide financial backing to poker players who might not have sufficient bankrolls to play at higher stakes or participate in tournaments with higher buy-ins. This financial support allows talented players to showcase their skills and potentially climb up in the poker world.

2. Risk Diversification: Poker stables often consist of multiple players, which helps to spread the risk across different individuals and poker formats. This diversification reduces the overall risk for each player and the stable as a whole. If one player faces a downswing or variance, others can continue to represent the stable and generate profits.

3. Talent Development: Stables usually offer coaching and mentoring programs to their players, helping them improve their poker skills and strategy. This support can accelerate the growth of promising players and contribute to the overall development of talent in the poker community.

4. Marketing and Exposure: Successful stables often gain attention and recognition within the poker industry. As stables back players in major events and tournaments, they receive exposure through live streams, media coverage, and social media. This exposure can attract sponsors and investors, further boosting the poker ecosystem.

5. Pooling Resources: Stables have more resources collectively than individual players might have on their own. These resources can be used to invest in software tools, data analysis, and other resources that improve the players' edge and performance.

6. Fair Profit Sharing: Reputable stables generally have clear profit-sharing arrangements with their players. This ensures that players are fairly compensated for their performance and efforts. Fair and transparent profit-sharing can foster trust and loyalty within the stable.

7. Community and Support: Being part of a stable creates a sense of community among players, as they collaborate, share experiences, and learn from each other. This support network can be valuable for players, especially during challenging times in their poker careers.

8. Increased Competitiveness: Stables often encourage healthy competition among their players. This competitive environment can motivate players to strive for excellence, leading to improved skills and overall higher quality of play.

While stables have many benefits, it's essential to recognize that not all stables operate ethically. Some unscrupulous stables might exploit players or have unfair profit-sharing arrangements. It's crucial for players to research and join reputable stables that prioritize the well-being of their players and contribute positively to the poker ecosystem.
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08-02-2023 , 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by editundo
Stables, also known as poker staking groups or poker backing groups, can be beneficial for the poker ecosystem in several ways. Here are some reasons why stables are considered good for the poker community:

1. Financial Support for Players: Stables provide financial backing to poker players who might not have sufficient bankrolls to play at higher stakes or participate in tournaments with higher buy-ins. This financial support allows talented players to showcase their skills and potentially climb up in the poker world.

2. Risk Diversification: Poker stables often consist of multiple players, which helps to spread the risk across different individuals and poker formats. This diversification reduces the overall risk for each player and the stable as a whole. If one player faces a downswing or variance, others can continue to represent the stable and generate profits.

3. Talent Development: Stables usually offer coaching and mentoring programs to their players, helping them improve their poker skills and strategy. This support can accelerate the growth of promising players and contribute to the overall development of talent in the poker community.

4. Marketing and Exposure: Successful stables often gain attention and recognition within the poker industry. As stables back players in major events and tournaments, they receive exposure through live streams, media coverage, and social media. This exposure can attract sponsors and investors, further boosting the poker ecosystem.

5. Pooling Resources: Stables have more resources collectively than individual players might have on their own. These resources can be used to invest in software tools, data analysis, and other resources that improve the players' edge and performance.

6. Fair Profit Sharing: Reputable stables generally have clear profit-sharing arrangements with their players. This ensures that players are fairly compensated for their performance and efforts. Fair and transparent profit-sharing can foster trust and loyalty within the stable.

7. Community and Support: Being part of a stable creates a sense of community among players, as they collaborate, share experiences, and learn from each other. This support network can be valuable for players, especially during challenging times in their poker careers.

8. Increased Competitiveness: Stables often encourage healthy competition among their players. This competitive environment can motivate players to strive for excellence, leading to improved skills and overall higher quality of play.

While stables have many benefits, it's essential to recognize that not all stables operate ethically. Some unscrupulous stables might exploit players or have unfair profit-sharing arrangements. It's crucial for players to research and join reputable stables that prioritize the well-being of their players and contribute positively to the poker ecosystem.
Oh, the wonders of stables in the poker world! These poker staking groups, also known as stables, are like the fairy godmothers of poker, waving their magical financial wands and granting poker players the ability to participate in high-stakes tournaments they otherwise couldn't afford. How generous!

But wait, there's more! Stables are not only financial wizards but also expert risk diversifiers. They assemble a motley crew of players, like a diverse poker Avengers team, to spread the risk around and shield their players from the evil downswings and variance that might come their way. Hail the mighty power of diversification!

And let us not forget the exceptional talent development capabilities of these stables. They act as the wise sages, imparting their profound poker knowledge upon their proteges, transforming them from mere mortals into poker superheroes. Without these stables, where would poker talent even come from? Hogwarts?

But that's not all! Stables are marketing geniuses too! They are like the influencers of the poker world, strutting their stuff in major tournaments and live streams, amassing legions of followers. Who needs Hollywood celebrities when you have poker stables taking center stage?

And brace yourself for the power of pooling resources! With the combined might of multiple players, they can invest in cutting-edge technology and data analysis. They've got a poker Batcave filled with software tools and gadgets, all designed to give them the ultimate edge over mere mortal players.

Ah, the generous profit-sharing arrangements, like the gold at the end of the rainbow. Reputable stables shower their players with fair compensation for their efforts, ensuring trust and loyalty. Who needs a pot of gold when you can have a fair share of poker profits?

Community and support, the heart and soul of every stable. They form a cozy poker family where players support each other through thick and thin, sharing experiences and strategies like magical incantations. Aww, it's like a poker tea party!

But beware, not all stables are benevolent fairy godmothers. Some might be wicked witches, tricking players and taking advantage of their naivety. Remember to don your detective hats, dear players, and join only the most ethically virtuous stables.

So, there you have it, folks! Stables are the guardians of the poker universe, bestowing financial miracles, teaching powerful skills, and spreading joy and camaraderie. Hail to the stables, the unsung heroes of the poker ecosystem! May they continue to ride their magical unicorns and enrich the poker community with their enchanting presence!
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08-02-2023 , 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Zenzor
$500k winnings can't afford a human writer with professional PR experience lmao
But how much did he lose?

I'll see myself out.
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08-02-2023 , 02:56 PM
Please implement a rule to ban posters who use ChatGPT like in this thread. What a joke.
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08-02-2023 , 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Kebabkungen
Please implement a rule to ban posters who use ChatGPT like in this thread. What a joke.
If you are suggesting my post was bot-generated, I take offense to that. I spent several hours researching and writing that post and some appreciation for my hard work would be nice.
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08-02-2023 , 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by editundo
If you are suggesting my post was bot-generated, I take offense to that. I spent several hours researching and writing that post and some appreciation for my hard work would be nice.
Thank you, editundo. You are like the poker world’s Mother Theresa. Giving hope to the downtrodden, that one day they may grind out $7.50/hr by cheating online microstakes and thus will never have to toil under the yoke of their oppressors. Such a noble cause.
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08-02-2023 , 05:34 PM
It should be pretty obvious that posting ChatGPT created content without listing the source is a no-no. Nobody who wants to keep NVG posting privileges should do that.
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08-02-2023 , 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by madlex
It should be pretty obvious that posting ChatGPT created content without listing the source is a no-no. Nobody who wants to keep NVG posting privileges should do that.
The OP admitted to using chatgpt (which was obvious), in case you didn't get the joke. The dude claims to have $500,000 winnings on Pokerstars and is using a free language learning model to defend his case in the court of public opinion instead of hiring someone with PR experience, which is the other half of the joke.
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08-02-2023 , 06:41 PM
Forget the Poker Hall of Fame. I propose we elevate editundo to poker sainthood. Without for profit stables, moneymaker may have never won the Main and we wouldn’t even be having this discussion.

Editundo, patron saint to broke degenerates who have loose morals and a strong aversion to getting an honest job.
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08-02-2023 , 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by DiamondsOnMyNeck
Forget the Poker Hall of Fame. I propose we elevate chatgpt to poker sainthood. Without for profit stables, moneymaker may have never won the Main and we wouldn’t even be having this discussion.

chatgpt, patron saint to broke degenerates who have loose morals and a strong aversion to getting an honest job.
fyp
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08-03-2023 , 03:03 AM
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Originally Posted by madlex
It should be pretty obvious that posting ChatGPT created content without listing the source is a no-no. Nobody who wants to keep NVG posting privileges should do that.
Anyone who has used ChatGPT just a little can see that OP and Editundo's posts are clearly written by ChatGPT.
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08-03-2023 , 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Kebabkungen
Anyone who has used ChatGPT just a little can see that OP and Editundo's posts are clearly written by ChatGPT.
I assume you know Zenzor's post is also blatantly bot generated (you can ask it to write in a bombastic style).

I was just making fun of OP with my bot-generated post, obviously it will be very annoying if this starts happening often
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08-03-2023 , 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by editundo
I assume you know Zenzor's post is also blatantly bot generated (you can ask it to write in a bombastic style).

I was just making fun of OP with my bot-generated post, obviously it will be very annoying if this starts happening often
I thought you were one of OPs shills. If thats not the case then sorry. The zensor guy's joke was more obvious to me.
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08-03-2023 , 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Kebabkungen
I thought you were one of OPs shills. If thats not the case then sorry. The zensor guy's joke was more obvious to me.
No, I thought it was obvious I was joking but I can see how its not
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