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Originally Posted by 663366
The more i think about it, it's interesting that OP, who was at the table, made the thread asking what hands were good enough to call the all-in, and ignored my question on who the floor was or what the players looked like... I think it's pretty clear that OP was in the hand, probably one of the guys left to act looking to take advantage of floor's ruling and had a hard time deciding whether to commit his whole stack...
[ ] I ignored your question
[?] Troll
But if you want a more specific description of the floormen then here it is based on my memory of the event:
I was two to the right of 42 Asian Guy and had folded pre, and considering
my follow-up post about the incident and my longtime, positive participation in this community I'm offended you would make this accusation.
I included the questions about what hands would be strong enough to call with because, in a vacuum, it's an interesting game theory situation. But I later admitted they made me sound callous.
I'll try to respond to a few other posts ITT, but please keep in mind that I'm only human. Obv I didn't jot down every detail of the incident and while everything I say is correct to the best of my knowledge, there may be details that I have jumbled. Remember, I'd folded pre and was probably thinking about whether or not I should order another bottled water.
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Originally Posted by DAT MOOSE
By active player do you mean players in the hand? If so was player 2, 3, or 4 the first to call the asian's hand live? Which one chimed in? Terrible ruling but the players who called the asian's hand live are super pathetic. #giveusnamesorpics
Yes, a total of four players had live hands going to the river. Vietnamese(?) 42 Guy was then first to act with three players yet to act behind him: Filipino(?) J9 Guy, Caucasian Donator Guy, and Caucasian B&M-Reg Woman.
That woman (Player 4) was, as I recall, the instigator. She was the most vocal and argumentative about his "all-in". I don't remember which player "chimed in", but I don't think it was one of the other active players. I
think J9 guy and The Donator were pretty quiet.
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Originally Posted by randomuser1
"So was I; but the dealer and both floormen confirmed that any face-up hand is live regardless of whether or not it touches the muck"
What? If I'm HU against another player, declares FOLD verbally while I throw my cards face-up towards the muck, the hand is considered to be "live"?
I should have been clearer. If you
say fold and toss your cards face-up, you've folded because the verbal declaration supersedes the physical one (as I understand it). But the mere act of flipping them up does not kill the hand, even if you flip them up so that they're touching or even on top of the muck-pile.
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Originally Posted by Professionalpoker
From John's account there was a lot of attention on this.
It's not like the entire Pavilion came to a screeching halt. There were probably 8 people gathered or watching on the rail, and most were asking each other "What just happened? What'd I miss?" Disputes happen all the time at the tables. People gather, then they go on their merry way.
I used a lot of colorful phrases in my OP ("howled into his phone", "chaos ensued", "cursed the Poker Gods") but keep in mind I'm a storyteller; it's what I do. The facts of the matter are correct to the best of my knowledge, but it wasn't a Michael Bay film.