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Bill Perkins Says Poker Heroes Involved Serious Cheating. Bilzerian Spills the Beans-Post 503 Bill Perkins Says Poker Heroes Involved Serious Cheating. Bilzerian Spills the Beans-Post 503

05-24-2020 , 10:56 AM
Edit: if he brought it to Bill's attention that's better than nothing.
05-24-2020 , 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by editundo
I mean publicly out the cheaters. He hasn't said a word about it publicly.

If you know someone is cheating, and choose to stand by and watch it happen in order to protect your own financial interests, I wouldn't necessarily say you're a man of integrity. Neutral at best.
Yeah, that is why it makes more sense that it is directly connected to Perkins and maybe his private game on an app. Which, I cannot see how that would drawf Postle's cheating scam. Koons is connected to PP, RIOP and Macau. Galfond said it doesnt pertain to him, it is supposedly online. PP would be very big scandal, but this seems like it is more focused directly to Perkins, aka a private game on an app. Definitely not bigger than the Postle story if that is the case.
05-24-2020 , 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by editundo
Edit: if he brought it to Bill's attention that's better than nothing.
It’s not only better than nothing but it is precisely what he should be doing. Assuming this is Bill’s game and a couple of his “friends” are ghosting accounts then Koon did what he’s supposed to do and allow Bill to handle the dirty work. It’s Perkins game after all.
05-24-2020 , 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by TimStone
iirc he is running a charity for aspiring Highstakes Poker players

Got em !!! Lol wp
05-24-2020 , 11:07 AM
I learned a long time ago that when human beings and money are involved you better watch your back! That goes for poker, business and anything else you can think of.

Now throw in the ingredient of doing it online/anonymously and you have the perfect storm for all manner of foul play. Whatever you can imagine has already been done and some things you can't imagine have been done as well.

It can happen in small games as well as high stakes ones. People will take any "advantage" they can for hundreds and thousands, as well as millions. If you think otherwise then I have a good deal on a bridge you can buy.

Once upon a time a "friend" of mine that I had met playing in a private poker game showed me what he could do with a deck of cards. He was a reasonably good card mechanic, but not nearly the best. He told me that he was beating the game every week utilizing his skills. He only confided in me because he liked the way I played pool and wanted me to teach him.

I know for a fact that I've been cheated at cards, both in private games and in casinos (usually with the help of a dealer). I suspect I've also been the victim of some type of scam in online poker as well. Too many strange things happened back in the old party poker days.

I still like a good poker game once in a while (tournaments or cash) but I pay close attention to what's happening at all times. I'm that kind of guy. I've seen dealers stealing extra rake in casinos and called them out on it. They always act surprised and usually the floor man will side with them if it comes to that. The bottom line here is that if you're not part of the "team," then you are ripe for the taking.

A word to the wise, be on your guard at all times when gambling, plain and simple.

Last edited by Toupee Jay; 05-24-2020 at 11:12 AM.
05-24-2020 , 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by editundo
What possible reason could there be to tease it out like this... Perkins is a clown.
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Originally Posted by editundo
Also if Koon is such a man of integrity, why didn't he out the situation himself?
Are you with TMZ bro.
All will come out...
Why so aggressive and inflammatory at this stage?
05-24-2020 , 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by RhodyGuy
It’s not only better than nothing but it is precisely what he should be doing. Assuming this is Bill’s game and a couple of his “friends” are ghosting accounts then Koon did what he’s supposed to do and allow Bill to handle the dirty work. It’s Perkins game after all.
I'm not sure it's relevant who the host of the game is. If you know someone is cheating, you'd be doing the public a favor by making a public service announcement about it. But secretly telling the host and hoping the host does the right thing is definitely better than nothing. The problem right now is there's apparently major cheating going on and the public has no way of knowing who to avoid, and we're waiting on a gossipgirl to tease out the details, which may or may not even happen.
05-24-2020 , 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by misk
Jaime Staples just said Perkins clarified (I believe to a poker news reporter) that:

1) It's online

2) It's not Triton

3) Koon came forward with the information to Bill
I hope it's something party poker related. Just based on Perkins posse and Koon both affiliated with party.
05-24-2020 , 11:29 AM
ZoMFg ThEHr iZ gHoStInG oN pOkER aHPs. WOW!
05-24-2020 , 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Loctus
I'd straight up bet money at like even odds that this is the jist of it

The question then is if the people involved are interesting names enough for [the community as a whole] to warrant caring at all, or if it's Perkins who's upset that some 25/50 reg got into his games by fixing a deal with some rec... With Koon being mentioned and Perkins saying "poker heroes" I guess it could be some big names though
I'm with you guys on this one. It would make sense to get ahead of it before it became public elsewhere. I doubt he was a participant in the cheating, but it's a bad look letting it happen under his watch. I really hope he outs them.
05-24-2020 , 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Toupee Jay
I learned a long time ago that when human beings and money are involved you better watch your back! That goes for poker, business and anything else you can think of.

Now throw in the ingredient of doing it online/anonymously and you have the perfect storm for all manner of foul play. Whatever you can imagine has already been done and some things you can't imagine have been done as well.

It can happen in small games as well as high stakes ones. People will take any "advantage" they can for hundreds and thousands, as well as millions. If you think otherwise then I have a good deal on a bridge you can buy.

Once upon a time a "friend" of mine that I had met playing in a private poker game showed me what he could do with a deck of cards. He was a reasonably good card mechanic, but not nearly the best. He told me that he was beating the game every week utilizing his skills. He only confided in me because he liked the way I played pool and wanted me to teach him.

I know for a fact that I've been cheated at cards, both in private games and in casinos (usually with the help of a dealer). I suspect I've also been the victim of some type of scam in online poker as well. Too many strange things happened back in the old party poker days.

I still like a good poker game once in a while (tournaments or cash) but I pay close attention to what's happening at all times. I'm that kind of guy. I've seen dealers stealing extra rake in casinos and called them out on it. They always act surprised and usually the floor man will side with them if it comes to that. The bottom line here is that if you're not part of the "team," then you are ripe for the taking.

A word to the wise, be on your guard at all times when gambling, plain and simple.
This 100% if you've played in any private apps you've more likely than not been cheated.
05-24-2020 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by KossuKukkula
I hope it's something party poker related. Just based on Perkins posse and Koon both affiliated with party.
Ingram said isn’t not associated with a major online site
05-24-2020 , 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by CuseNation
Ingram said isn’t not associated with a major online site
Damn. So I just lost my interest.
05-24-2020 , 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by editundo
Edit: if he brought it to Bill's attention that's better than nothing.
What would you have done if you were JKoon? If he did in fact alert Perkins to this, then that should be enough. There are ways of handling certain situations especially in the position Jason is in. It would make no sense for him to blow it up the way Bill did as I'm assuming he was only asked to partake in the alleged ghosting.

He is obviously connected and intimately familiar with all the parties involved. Depending on who is involved, sensationally blowing it up on twitter could have a real negative effect on what I presume is his main source of income. It's a difficult predicament, but from I gather from the little information, he felt an obligation to tell Bill since it was either his game or he was the main mark getting taken.

He passed the info and it's in Bill's court to handle it the way he sees fit.

Just my take...
05-24-2020 , 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by smashed you bro
He's more likelier to be laundering his Dad's money than likely to be the biggest winner in poker history.
It is pretty clear at this point Dan got 40 Million from his Dad. And then used that money to make another 40 Million playing movie stars in a private game.
05-24-2020 , 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by PTLou
had exact same thought. Koon has always come across as someone with high standards and integrity. above really has nothing to do with him but more about the amazing low bar of moral expectations in that community when one gets accolades for not being a cheat.

regarding perkins and his tweet. JFC drama queen much.

dude made 10s of millions (mad props) but for some reason lights some of that money on fire fulfilling his need for attention and acceptance in the highest profile parts of poker world.

Obv he's free to do whatever the wants but maybe mix it in with something more meaningful . I googled Bill Perkins philanthropy and got zip.

Not a fan.
lol Bill not doing Philanthropy! just because he doesn't go way out of his to publicize it. Paid for planes full of equipment and ppe for island more then once. donates tons of money to good causes....check dan smith's twitter feed for proof. spends money trying to get good people elected.
05-24-2020 , 12:18 PM
People slamming Perkins and Koon really need to re-evaluate themselves
05-24-2020 , 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by SackCheese
What would you have done if you were JKoon?
Out the cheaters immediately and quit playing poker to pursue a better career.
05-24-2020 , 12:42 PM
05-24-2020 , 12:44 PM
If Bill Perkins wasn't so rich I would feel sorry for him
05-24-2020 , 12:45 PM
well there goes 20min down the drain
05-24-2020 , 12:46 PM
Wow somebody ghosted his private rich person game. Yuge if true.
05-24-2020 , 12:57 PM
Oh so it was bigger than Postle in the sense that the Postle stuff hurt other people while this one hurt Perkins.
05-24-2020 , 12:58 PM
What a drama
05-24-2020 , 01:03 PM
clearly cheating (don't know why it's downplayed here as playing on someone else's account is 100% cheating) but not a bigger story than postle (at best video of an online table isn't gonna fly)/ even if it's one of the two or three names still in the game people outside this forum have actually heard of.

      
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