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Bill Perkins Says Poker Heroes Involved Serious Cheating. Bilzerian Spills the Beans-Post 503 Bill Perkins Says Poker Heroes Involved Serious Cheating. Bilzerian Spills the Beans-Post 503

05-24-2020 , 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by PTLou
. I googled Bill Perkins philanthropy and got zip.

Not a fan.
iirc he is running a charity for aspiring Highstakes Poker players
05-24-2020 , 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by PTLou
Obv he's free to do whatever the wants but maybe mix it in with something more meaningful . I googled Bill Perkins philanthropy and got zip.

Not a fan.
I think you are extremely wrong on that one.
05-24-2020 , 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by SpinMeRightRound
I'm interested to know also. Who is Bill Perkins friends with in the poker world? That might give us clues as to who he could be referring to.
Well he's a successful businessman who likes to play high stakes poker. So I'd say he has a lot of poker friends.
05-24-2020 , 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Tuma
b/c it's more deceiving when a game is guaranteed pro-free that plays for months. millions changing hands, and it being a poker hero makes it pretty ridiculous.
If it’s a game with his friends, he should direct his anger at the friend who let someone ghost him.

If they aren’t friends, he should be angry with himself for trusting others.

Not sure why anyone would blame the “poker hero”. That’s somebody in it to make money, plain and simple. In general, it’s ridiculous to blame the person doing the ghosting. They don’t even violate any ToS because it doesn’t have to do with their account. Blame the person who lets someone else ghost them. In the case here, that’s probably some random millionaire, so who cares?

I also don’t see how the $ amount is of any relevance here. Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates playing 100k/200k isn’t that different from you and I playing 1/2.
05-24-2020 , 09:42 AM


05-24-2020 , 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by madlex
If it’s a game with his friends, he should direct his anger at the friend who let someone ghost him.

If they aren’t friends, he should be angry with himself for trusting others.

Not sure why anyone would blame the “poker hero”. That’s somebody in it to make money, plain and simple. In general, it’s ridiculous to blame the person doing the ghosting. They don’t even violate any ToS because it doesn’t have to do with their account. Blame the person who lets someone else ghost them. In the case here, that’s probably some random millionaire, so who cares?

I also don’t see how the $ amount is of any relevance here. Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates playing 100k/200k isn’t that different from you and I playing 1/2.
I thought this was a poker forum with highly logical people. Meh I guess it is NVG. My friend left the bank door open. All I did was walk in and take the cash. I don't think I have any responsibility in what happened.

Do we have so many scummy people in this forum that can relate that they will do whatever gymnastics are necessary to absolve the pros in all of this?
05-24-2020 , 09:53 AM
In. Disappointed if it's just ghosting, my morbid curiosity is out of the park.
05-24-2020 , 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by PTLou
had exact same thought. Koon has always come across as someone with high standards and integrity. above really has nothing to do with him but more about the amazing low bar of moral expectations in that community when one gets accolades for not being a cheat.

regarding perkins and his tweet. JFC drama queen much.

dude made 10s of millions (mad props) but for some reason lights some of that money on fire fulfilling his need for attention and acceptance in the highest profile parts of poker world.

Obv he's free to do whatever the wants but maybe mix it in with something more meaningful . I googled Bill Perkins philanthropy and got zip.

Not a fan.
There's another very rich businessman who plays in the wsop main every year and donates all of his winnings to charity. He had a deep run or 2. Pharmaceutical exec or ceo I think. Perkins ain't him that's for sure. Perkins has always struck me as a rich whale who wants to be in the spotlight, and in the gambling world, money talks. His money immediately made him high profile. But he definitely loves and craves the attention.
05-24-2020 , 09:55 AM
just wasted 15mins reading this thread
05-24-2020 , 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by FUrake
just wasted 15mins reading this thread
Yeah as of now this thread offers nothing and sucks. Welp back to the coronavirus thread lol.
05-24-2020 , 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by TimStone
iirc he is running a charity for aspiring Highstakes Poker players
exactly

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Originally Posted by BlackJackDegen
I think you are extremely wrong on that one.
actually not wrong at all.

he might have given all his money to charity anonymously (but given his thirst for attention, that seem doubtful) and be one of the leading philanthropists in the country for all I know.

all I said is I googled it and nada came up except him donating 1.5M to his high school to name a bldg after him (ego yo).
05-24-2020 , 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by PTLou
exactly

actually not wrong at all.

he might have give all his money to charity anonymously (but given his thirst for attention, that seem doubtful) and be one of the leading philanthropists in the country for all I know.

all I said is I googled it and nada came up except him donating 1.5M to his high school to name a bldg after him (ego yo).
The second link when you google those terms gives you some details. I am pretty sure he has been on Joey's podcast discussing a number of things he does in this area.
05-24-2020 , 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by BlackJackDegen
The most likely scenario from the different sources that have posted information is that the private game that Bill runs which is recs only moved to a poker club App during the Coronavirus. Some of the people in that game who Bill regards friends have either let pros play on their accounts or let them ghost them when the club was suppose to be entirely made of up of recs. Considering the money these guys probably play for letting a fox in the chicken coup is a big deal. He probably feels he let down other players in the club by allowing this to happen.
I'd straight up bet money at like even odds that this is the jist of it

The question then is if the people involved are interesting names enough for [the community as a whole] to warrant caring at all, or if it's Perkins who's upset that some 25/50 reg got into his games by fixing a deal with some rec... With Koon being mentioned and Perkins saying "poker heroes" I guess it could be some big names though
05-24-2020 , 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by BlackJackDegen
I thought this was a poker forum with highly logical people. Meh I guess it is NVG. My friend left the bank door open. All I did was walk in and take the cash. I don't think I have any responsibility in what happened.
Well, good luck trying to recoup your money in court if the bank was illegal/unregulated..
05-24-2020 , 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by madlex
Well, good luck trying to recoup your money in court if the bank was illegal/unregulated..
Strawman much? This is unrelated to whether these players should engage in or take any blame in the situation.
05-24-2020 , 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Loctus
I'd straight up bet money at like even odds that this is the jist of it

The question then is if the people involved are interesting names enough for [the community as a whole] to warrant caring at all, or if it's Perkins who's upset that some 25/50 reg got into his games by fixing a deal with some rec... With Koon being mentioned and Perkins saying "poker heroes" I guess it could be some big names though
Yeah if it is just ghosting on the poker apps and there's no massive star names involved this is an early contender for biggest slowroll of 2020.
05-24-2020 , 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by ProfessorEd
I have a solid source that has said this has something to do with "ghosting"

Player A is supposed to be some whale but it's actually a HSNL reg. So deception.

Also, FWIW... Bill Perkins / Dan Bilzerian were sharing their account playing on FTP... there is video of it. Please don't say Dan Bilzerian is a whale... guy is likely the biggest winner in poker history.

So hypocrisy?
The biggest winner in poker history might be Tobey Maguire. He's got to be close to the top for sure.
05-24-2020 , 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by EastCoastBalla
I hate to bust your bubble but look at the kinds of people who play poker. Gambling in any form attracts types from all walks of life. From criminals and degens and homeless types to real honest professionals with respected careers.
I know there are alot of scummy people in poker. But I think if you are a high stakes professional, you need to follow a certain unwritten "code of ethics". You will face cheaters during your career but that is no excuse into turning into one.

If in this case some professional has been playing on a table where everyone else is way worse than him and pretended to be somebody else, he should definitely be outed to public. If a fish who has been bumhunted by leeches of poker world with all the seat scripts and tools available decides to sell his account to some crusher, I wouldn't feel that bad about it compared to a game that consists completely of recreational players. Both actions are wrong but everbody understands why one is more wrong than the other.
05-24-2020 , 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by BlackJackDegen
So you are saying that because one is not policeable and you can't get caught then that cheating then it is OK. Sound logic. Cheating is good if you can get away with it obviously.
I dont think that's what he's saying at all. You can argue the moral aspect of multi-accounting as much as you wish, but ultimately however good or bad you think it is, it's not much of a scandal.
05-24-2020 , 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by TimStone
iirc he is running a charity for aspiring Highstakes Poker players
05-24-2020 , 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by TimStone
iirc he is running a charity for aspiring Highstakes Poker players
needs more love
05-24-2020 , 10:44 AM
What possible reason could there be to tease it out like this... Perkins is a clown.
05-24-2020 , 10:48 AM
Also if Koon is such a man of integrity, why didn't he out the situation himself?
05-24-2020 , 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by editundo
Also if Koon is such a man of integrity, why didn't he out the situation himself?
Maybe that is how this whole thing came to light?
05-24-2020 , 10:51 AM
Jaime Staples just said Perkins clarified (I believe to a poker news reporter) that:

1) It's online

2) It's not Triton

3) Koon came forward with the information to Bill

      
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