Is anyone following this at all? Not many people can even explain what this is about. I think this ranks up there with other flops like poker battle and poker outlaws.

I only clicked this because your name was flop artist. But you didn't make this username for this thread so I am very unsatisfied.


But of course most people think it is. It's prob a bit too much for most people to try to understand. I mean just the poker itself is way over most ppls heads.

The whole thing is just an excuse for The Mutual Admiration Society to show us mortals how great they are.

That's exactly what I was thinking. One big circle jerk

Been getting decent viewership


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By guys living in their mother's basement who still wear hoods and sunglasses at the poker table

That including yourself?


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No. I live in my mother's attic

I believe Epic Poker League would rank quite a bit higher on the fail list.

Somewhere near the top would be Breakout Gaming
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GPL falls somewhere in line though.

Agree. As long as the Epic Fail existed, GPL cannot be the biggest.

Where do the PPT and NAPT rate?

No idea how or where to even watch this, sounds pretty stupid.

Have they? I have only noticed 5-700 people watching when I have checked.

I saw 2k for a few matches.


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Jcarver gets 25K sometimes, I imagine they aren't getting 10% the viewers that they would like.

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Tl:dr: jcarver is my father and grafton loves the banter.

Well obviously the biggest mistake they made was not poaching Jason Somerville, staples or any of the huge twitchers. GPL is firmly down the list on the poker category on twitch and could have had anywhere from 1-15k more viewers had they got one of the main guys involved. I understand Jason is tied to pokerstars but you should have given him an offer he couldn't refuse. If I was the owner I would have sold my kidney to get jcarver part of the commentary team. Especially with twitch being the main and only platform for the GPL at present.

He is just miles ahead of the rest of the twitch world in terms of quality content and has a very calming and cool personality. Huge mistake not getting him. Even if you tried and he was contractually obligated to say no. Then offer him 5 times what he's getting at stars. He's so far ahead of the twitch curve, the other guys can't even see him anymore.

There is way too much online poker to start the league. It should have been live poker to start followed by online.

The teams are a bunch of superstar players with no real underdogs to root for. I guess the Moscow wolverines and Hong Kong stars chose all local players but that actually makes them horrendously boring instead of exciting to watch. Terrible decision by those teams.

There should have been qualification rounds which allowed non-superstar players to attempt to gain entry through a series of satellite tournaments. The pros, while obviously great at poker are boring and slow to watch. No animation in their personalities. Obviously they are all completely desensitised after the toll that years of variance takes on your brain but it's like watching paint dry at times. Except jungle man of course, he's the boss.

There is this small group of circle jerk poker players on Twitter who are too delusional and unaware to realise that no1 gives a crap about them except each other. They are laced throughout the poker world like a drug contaminating the purity of a great product. Apparently if you are really loud, annoying and try hard to be funny you can be a poker celebrity. Seems a few of them found their way into the GPL. As usual, the emptiest pot always makes the loudest noise.

Grafton and benger are actually pretty good together. They were terrible at first but have created some better chemistry and are quite decent now and steadily improving. Would be nice if they had some guest commentators join them in the booth once in a while. They could ask him/her questions and pick their brain. Otherwise it seems at times they are just searching for something to say because the players are so muted.

Overall I know it sounds like a lot of negative points but the gpl hasn't been too bad at all. Just not enough preparation and poor execution in the final product by making it predominantly an online poker twitch thing. Trust me most of us would rather watch tonkkaaa ship the Super Tuesday or whatever than some Hong Kong star battling some Russian in a hyper.

Looking forward to the live portion as I'm sure it will be miles better. Also that guy Eric Danis, while he is a lovely bloke, he does not have a voice for tv. The English girl is lovely though.

Gl going forward and thankyou Alex Dreyfuss for trying to create something new and exciting in the poker world. There is a lot of potential in this product and I really hope it develops into a huge success!

Twitch is a space for eSport nerds with its own unique & peculiar culture - for a start it's predominantly a hangout for socially awkward young males with the usual range of young male obsessions. You can all imagine what the live chat stream is like while Liv Boeree is broadcasting.

I realise Alex Dreyfus is trying to 'sportify' poker & to make it a spectacle that has broad audience appeal, but Twitch ain't the platform for this mission. He recently inked a deal with Sina Sports who have a huge Chinese audience - the Chinese understand poker-style card games & it might be the breakthrough.

For myself I found the two commenters were both trying to be the expert & the funny man - not a match made in heaven. I also noticed that on those occasions when the players were actually speaking their thoughts the duo in the 'booth' didn't always know to keep quiet & let the players carry the show, but that was in early episodes & maybe that's been ironed out by now - I don't know because I gave up watching.

I'm also not sure that heads up poker is interesting enough for a casual audience - it's difficult for non-poker people to grasp the 'levelling' that's going on when two pros go to war. I watched parts of two GPL matches & I have no interest in seeing any more of it in its current format.

But I do hope GPL succeeds despite my doubts. It certainly needs a lot of tuning still & I believe there's still time left for that tuning to occur.

It's also because the format itself is not the one speaking to most, many find HU only quite boring / monotonous / depending often on one big meeting between two big hands (not saying I agree with all of it but it still is what many think).

However, some cool line-ups and some huge match-ups. I saw Fedor rape Duhamel the other day it was quite funny. Duhamel had nothing going on for him though, have to admit. Players do not seem super excited to play it either though I have to say, and Duhamel for instance looked incredibilty bored.

I've enjoyed it so far. I hope it gets bigger and attracts more Twitch regulars to poker.

Most of the GPL viewers aren't coming through Twitch - it's available through many platforms.

besides that, it's about expectation vs numbers ... i'm not sure what others (incl. Alex) expected, but so far it's not too bad. also let's not forget, it's not about appealing any nvg-tards. and like it was mentioned itt, the china deal could be huge

so calling it a flop is a bit early, calling it 'biggest poker flop' is beyond stupid ... from poker-pro businesses like the ivey league to blast longer we had plenty of flops/fails, then we had weird stuff like the ISPT and then we had really huge f*** ups like EPL, UB, FTP or Lock, which costs investors or players millions

NAPT wasn't a flop imo, it never had any chance b/c of the black friday

Which other platforms?

Lol that's even worse. If they are releasing it through other platforms, they haven't communicated that very well to their audience. Myself and all my friends are watching it on twitch. Which other platforms are they showing it on?

Everyone expects everything to be an instant hit or instant failure.

Jason did an amazing job of building his community from scratch. His early youtube contact only got a few thousand views.

Give it time. If it fails, it fails. If it succeeds, great.

Ah that's right, good call. Similarly, I think the PPT had the same timing with the UIGEA.