If you understand our government the notion that the DOJ is dragging this process out in order to collect interest on forfeited money is laughable. First, the DOJ does not create revenue. They are a big black hole where our tax dollars go to die. The budget for the DOJ is $27 BILLION DOLLARS per year. That is $27,000,000,000.00. This is more money than the GDP of over half the countries on earth. It is a staggering number. A few million here or there are just rounding errors on their books.

The DOJ is not budget conscious. They are not fiscally responsible. They are the DOJ. They spend our money like it's water to "protect us", and believe me they spare no expense in doing so! They are our government in action and in typical government fashion that action is almost always in slow motion.

One day ... just another Tuesday morning I walked right into and took the last train into lower Manhattan on 9/11 from Hoboken.

I saw people jumping from the burning towers. I used to get angry when people would say, "I saw the second plane hit live on TV."

That day changed me forever. I was there. I was part of it, and I survived. It's not like it only happened on TV ... it really happened. I don't mean to sound like I am special but ... for millions of us, it was not a TV show.

I took the same PATH train to work the next day, but there was a guard standing there with a machine gun that waived my white ass in. I travel light too. No bag.

Was kinda different though. Usually I don't need permission from guys with machine guns to get on a train.

But before it's derailed ... there will be a resolution. FTP will pay ppl back, it's a big job ... apparently. There's not much you can do about it but wait.

So, stop your complaining. Worse shiat happens to other people.

US players will not see real money in their cashier because FTP doesn t have your funds, DOJ has your money now

I already said the accounts were adjusted sometime ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFlFIG22Y9E

No. You are being dense intentionally (I have to believe) to evade the point I was making. Since your "inside source" knowledge failed , the only thing you have done is reiterate what we already know from other sources including PPA (and their reps here) / Jeff Ifrah / DOJ (and other legal entities) and others who are infinitely more legitimate than yourself. You did not provide the information above, you did not get it from an inside source, you just read what we already knew and came here to a thread where you are expected to have "insider knowledge" and presented old news as if you discovered it yourself and are giving it to us for the first time.

You can repeat facts as many times as you like, it doesn't mean you uncovered the truth or are responsible (for better or worse) for the information contained in those facts or the consequences arising from them.

You are just a messenger, one who's entire 2+2 existence and appearance is based upon the premise that you are somehow connected to someone at the DOJ who can feed you inside info - info which (for better or worse) many of us here desperately want to know.

Your "source" failed (although you likely never had one), and since you have done nothing but regurgitate old news from that time on, it blows my mind that you are still allowed to post here.


Another wonderful example of the "news" you bring us. Taking regurgitated tidbits of info and mixing it with news from your non-existent "source" to somehow portray an image of a trustworthy and knowledgeable poster is an obvious trolling tactic. Also, the Department of Justice does not have "your money", so you don't even take the time to get your regurgitation straight.

Can't believe I am the only one incensed by your continued presence here. I feel like i'm taking crazy pills.

A range, depending on how they were used. For merchandise they were about $0.004/FTP and they were exchanged in the marketplace for about $0.0035/FTP.

I'd be very surprised if FTPs were paid out to US players unless they are going to allow some people to be double-paid. I had my FTP account reinstated yesterday and my points are in place.

They are getting paid well before Thanksgiving. They just happen to be the players who dont live in the US. Personally Id be shocked if Christmas is here and we have heard nothing or that the process has not already started for US players as well.

... bout ... $3.50

Diamond flush said she believed that happened a while ago long before you or anyone else did.

+1. Seriously, people.

My very first post here indicated the player balances were already adjust for the so called phantom deposits. I do not recall anyone else indicating it before me and forgive me that I do not search the entire internet to see if someone did.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1302


You are right that DOJ doesn t have your money and I thank you for pointing it out. The former owners of FTP/companies have your money. The new owners of FTP do not have your money. DOJ via the remission process is going to compensate US players who were victims of wrong doing by the former owners of FTP/compaines. Since there are so many US players posting the same question, , I answered the question rather briefly

Another user posted the question of the phantom depsoits and I answered it. If your not happy with my posts, I suggest you use the ignore feature.

How would you get double paid?

Unless you think that the DOJ is going to give value for points and FTP is as well... Which FTP already said they won't unless the US laws change, and it would make no sense to have a 0 balance for all US player money given it's with the DOJ and then keep points in your FTP account and pay them out both through the DOJ and FTP.

Only way to get FTP value for US players, imo, is to move and redeem them outside the US. I do wonder what value they will have and if they will let us get cash for them directly.

The main purpose of the PPA meeting with the DOJ is to be certain that the DOJ understands what players have and what players can give with respect to verifying their accounts and claiming remission. A mundane example would be for the remissions administrator to ask for something like "the manner and method in which you deposited to FTP" - we want to be sure the DOJ (and by extension the remissions administrator) knows that such a question, while perfectly legitimate in many contexts, would be all but useless for most FTP players. In simple terms, the PPA wants the DOJ to know what is was like to have been an FTP player so that the actual remission process will be simple and easy for players to complete.

Aside from that, the PPA will also have the opportunity to express general concerns. One of the most important concerns, as expressed on this forum, is the need for players to have news and updates directly from the DOJ. The PPA will definitely ask the DOJ to be more communicative about what is happening, and we will emphasize the fact that many FTP players lost far more than "fun money" - they lost life-changing money that was a significant amount of their earned income. Accordingly, it is only right that these folks be kept regularly informed and not have to continue to guess at what will occur based on unsubstantiated rumors.

The PPA will also seek to to learn whatever else it can and report back whatever we are told we can release.

It may be that the DOJ just listens and says "thanks, we will get back to you." If so the PPA will have at least made sure the DOJ is fully informed regarding players and their situation. I see even that alone as an important part of looking out for players. And if it does some good and leads to a better and/or quicker process, that will be mission-accomplished.

And finally, if it leads to anything that can be reported to you about when and what to expect, that too will be a nice improvement over the current situation.

Skallagrim

I am not aware when she posted it, perhaps you could link the post?

I gave the information back in Sept.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1302

You don't recall because you are clueless, and your posts of re-hashed / invented information / failed predictions is a perfect example of exactly what i'm talking about. Your very first post here also indicated a lot of other things, which never came to pass, and which your credibility was entirely based on. Like I said, taking information we have known about from -CREDIBLE- sources for a long time now and mixing it with your predictions (information from an "inside source" that never existed) which were themselves based on the assumptions and hopes of others... you know what, you're not worth my time. You disgust me, and i'm sure other sane individuals are disgusted by you as well - but have the common sense to ignore you.

I was unclear in my post. I don't think I'd ever get double-paid so people with points shouldn't expect to get anything for them.

Do you know when the PPA will be meeting with the DOJ, Skall? I know it was mid Nov. but do we know an exact date yet?

I don t recall because I don t think she ever commented on it.


Do you need help on finding the ignore button?

Birds of a feather flock together. As such, you're using your time to defend a troll. Bravo.

Also and as a matter of fact, I never said it was Diamond flush who said points / balances had been adjusted, which means you're clueless about what I posted. At least get yourself caught up on the necessary reading before you decide to get involved in a conversation. I don't need help finding the ignore button because i'm not going to use it, curiosity gets the better of me and I like to know what people are saying / have said, even clueless trolls like eli and clueless troll sympathizers like yourself.

Moving on.

It should be sometime around November 13. I can't say that date is certain yet because not everyone involved has committed to that specific date (other commitments for some could still lead to a change). But it ought to be near that date.

Skallagrim

THANK YOU!!!!!

Actually, you're both taking up space with your stupid bickering, there, Mr 14 posts. Surprisingly, we can sort out BS without your help. Take it to PM you're cluttering the thread.

I am unsure how my post elicited this response from you other than it obviously brought up traumatic memories. I also directly experienced 9/11 and reading your post gave me goose bumps and tears welled up.

I am in the camp that believes or should I say knows we will get paid back and I also believe that it will take longer than expected and I accept that. I do appreciate those that share real info which illuminates the reality of our situation. My comment on TVs was about their mind numbing capabilities when used in the common way. I have direct experience with this as well.