I'm a american player it shows $0 !!!!! in my cashier but 34k points !

Don't forget which party pushed through the Unlawful Gambling act as an attachment to a bill in late december... Thank You Republicans. The irony is, Republicans try to position themselves as the Party that will give you LESS government, yet all they want to do is tell you what you can and can't (abortion issue, same sex marriage issue, and on and on) in the sanctity of your home.

i still had FTP the client installed, i ran it, it connected. Iit updated and after i logged in I was asked to accept "terms", which i didn't want to read through at this moment so i backed out.
I presume its just standards stuff, ill look later.

meh more like 50/50, we either hear something or we dont.

In all seriousness, I think we hear something by end of November or I think the noise from the US players will be so loud by then the DOJ will have to say something. I dont care if they work on their own time and its govt blah blah blah, you cant have the ROW getting paid while your own citizens are sitting in the dark. Its a very bad message to send. Imo, with the site being back and ROW getting paid, the noise will start getting louder by the day until we hear something.

on another note, its also flat out depressing that poker in the world is continuing on while here in the US it seems to be dying more by the day.

Yep... I have exactly zero interest in this year's WSOP final table, instead of following it hand-for-hand like I used to.

Whoops, it's over. I just found out. Congratulations, whoever won.

42k points and 0$ just like the other Americans. Feels great to play even for play money for a moment.

720k points 0$ dollars. I sure hope we get compensated for points but I doubt it.

can you confirm whether US player balances will change to the correct amount come nov 6 in the ftp2 client. or will it just stay zero and we'll have to believe whatever amount they say we're owed is come remissions time is accurate.

I don't want my money back. It's a good chunk of change (mid-4 figs), and would be awfully nice, but found myself a decent job, life's pretty good, and the hassle of getting that s**t back just ain't worth it. Especially since no one has any idea where to start as of now.

Oh, and F*** THE DOJ.

Alright dibs then since you dont want it. Thanks bro!

You start by waiting, which we're all getting pretty good at.

Sooner or later they'll tell us what to do to get our money.

If you don't want to jump through the hoops at that point, so be it. But what's the harm in at least finding out?

And don't forget which party was in charge during black friday. Thank You Democrats.

The reality of the situation is neither party gives a **** about us. And all they care about is getting reelected and maintaining their power.

Look at Harry Reid. Against online poker because his big money casinos told him so. Now he's pushing a bill to get it legalized because his big money backers changed their mind. And he's a democrat.

If he actually "personally had an opinion" on the issue, his vote wouldn't be for sale like it is.


Edited to add:

And which party made online poker illegal in Washington State? Oh, Thank You Democrats!

I imagine it will stay zero and for it to be with the DoJ.

great just ****ing great news one after another in this whole situation isn't it. they could fudge the numbers all they want and pay less than what we're actually owed and of course we will have no legal recourse.

Um, the DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE has your money. There are much worse people that could have it... like, say, FTP1.

If you think you're getting screwed (when the day finally comes when they give us some information), let the DOJ know and hope for the best. You can reasonably expect they will have SOME level of commitment to law and order.

I know the whole doom & gloom thing has been done and is old now, but this isn't all going to crap is it? I mean, we're going to get our (US players) money right? We haven't come this far just to be told nothing, or told to come back in a year,

for all the "next weeks", there has to eventually be the one that matters and counts, the one that tells us officially if, when, and how much we are going to get back. That "next week" is coming, right?

Probably. But nobody knows for sure.

Check back next week.

just answer one question. what possible reason is there for not just reinstating the ftp client to show the correct balance we had when black friday hit, then just restrict US players from withdrawing through the client? is that so hard? at least give us some kind of confirmation that what we believe we're owed is accurate. what other logical reason is there for them to do something like this besides them having the intent to fudge the numbers a lil? come nov 6, if all US players still have 0.00 showing as their balance, all high stakes ballers with six figs bankrolls on there should start getting nervous.

FTP2 does not have the US players money, DOJ has it. I don't know why you would think FTP2 would change the balance?

The UIGEA has almost nothing to do with the situation American players find themselves in today, though UIGEA charges (accepting/processing deposits from US players) were included in the BF indictments.

It was the IGBA seizures of player (withdrawal) funds from 2009 through BF, and the use of the IGBA as a predicate to seek a $1B civil forfeiture penalty that caused this situation.

All the UIGEA authorized the government to do is seize the domains of companies caught violating it, and file criminal charges against individuals who conspired to violate it, it had nothing to do with FTP's financial problems.

The Bush administration DOJ testified before Congress that none of the existing laws (Wire Act, IGBA etc) or their forfeiture features were useful against offshore (non-sports betting - Wire Act) internet gambling sites, so a new law was needed to curtail the activity, that new law, the UIGEA, did not authorize the forfeiture of any funds.

It wasn't until June 2009 that the IGBA was first used to seize internet poker player funds, six months after the Republican administration left office, six months after AG appointee Holder testified before congress that he would use every tool at his disposal to target all offshore internet gambling.

It was the Obama administration DOJ's reinterpretation of the IGBA (a law designed to give the Federal government jurisdiction over entirely intrastate illegal gambling businesses) to apply to entirely international offshore poker sites that caused the situation which they are now professing to be doing us the favor of 'fixing', by returning the player money ($155M in FTP seizures alone) which they didn't have a lawful basis to seize in the first place.

The UIGEA sucked, it made it inconvenient to deposit and scared away publicly traded sites and many fish, but had almost nothing to do with BF or the downfall of FTP.

Here's the reason getting you/us our money isn't a priority: you aren't an important demographic. Politicians could not care less about you: you are young (18-25), don't have money and don't vote. The lobby representing you is beyond weak at Washington.

to know that we're in fact getting the correct amount we believe we're owed? facilitating/paying out the balances is the DOJ's job. as in the check/bank wire/however we're gonna get paid is gonna have the DOJ's official seal of approval. reporting how much we are rightfully owed (as in the exact balance we had in our account when black friday hit) to the DOJ is ftp's job.

1) doj calls FTP/stars headquarters and says "hey player john smith says he had a balance of $100k on his remissions form, does your database match that?"
2) if yes, DOJ sends john smith his $100k.

what more efficient and smooth remissions process can there possibly be besides this. they're taking so much time/haven't given any statements in forever cause they're probably looking for every legal loophole they can to keep most of the US players money. why do you think it's taking so long to even give us an update on a remissions process that could be done so easily?

right after black friday FTP emailed out account history which stated your balance and any pending withdraws your had in your account. I'm sure you kept that right so you know exactly how much you have?

I agree. The ONLY reason we are in the "situation" today and the reason this thread asks as to whether FTP players will get their money back is because of the fraud perpetrated on FTP players by FTP management. If FTP had done as they promised to do and kept our money "safe and secure and always available" nobody would be posting in a thread like this because there would be no thread like this.

There is no "will PokerStars players get their money back" thread because PStars did not "steal" their players money and have already given it all back to their players.

You just can't help yourself...can you? How can you make such a ridiculous statement?

There are people in jail and more on the way as a result of their own UNDISPUTED and UNCONTESTED ILLEGAL actions in this case. These people had an opportunity to defend themselves of these charges, but chose instead to admit their guilt. If the charges and seizures were made without a "lawful basis" don't you think someone, anyone, would have made that argument before they pled guilty and/or before they forfeited huge sums of money?

One of the things a court has to satisfy before accepting a plea in a case is that there exists a "factual basis" for the charges and the plea, usually these are stipulated to by the prosecution and the defense and form the legal basis by which a judge can legally accept a guilty plea. So in order for your conspiracy theory here to be correct the Judge, the US Attorney, the Defendant Attorneys and the Defendants themselves have all somehow missed, ignored or conspired together to miss and/or ignore that the government had no "lawful basis" for their actions. Is that your claim?

Before the US Attorney can make "seizures" in cases like this they have to get a court order. They have to present their case and a legal basis for that case directly to a judge. The judge then signs the seizure orders. Is it your contention, since you claim there was no "lawful basis" to make the seizures, that the US Attorney for SDNY and several sitting US District Court Judges conspired together to knowingly break the law by prosecuting cases that had no "legal basis"? C'mon please enough already.

How sad the U.S. government is, while the rest of the ROW players are gearing up to play online poker on FTP again, we are left in the dark as to how we can even begin to apply for the remission process and get our money back. LAND OF THE FREE BABY!!