A tank full of sharks, wow.

Its obv, its it not? HU tabes are obv not the absolute cause but, for sure any site should just close them up. Let players play HU on a 6max table until others join.

Close the shark tank please.

pretty much this

How does that change my point ?Forget the analogy if you want and tell me what lowering the rake will do in increasing life longevity of the fishs and improve their fun experience ??

Winamax.fr has a really good fish/reg friendly software and they also have this cool feature that fish love : ex: when you win a hand with 7/2o you get some kind of avatar and goes up in level( capitain , cruher, terminator whatever...), once you reach a certain number of avatars or levels you also get some reward (on top of vip programm), also you can click on screename and see what their achievement (which avatard they got).

Btw Winamax.fr stole the number one spot to pokerstars.fr and they were coming from behind 3 years ago, soo their must be something to learn from them.

This is a reworked cross post from the Revolution/lock thread
First cap table numbers.

Then:having players compete to go from the Vauxhall Conference League, to the Second Division......First Division...Championship 1 and finally Premiership*.

Rec players will compete with each other to get promoted/relegated say monthly. A relegation comes with a sorry "parachute payment" of a clearable bonus and the promoted player gets a cash bonus to get him started in the new league....maybe with a minimum play before he can make a withdrawl if he wants to keep it.

Deposits give you good points in your league - but not in the last 3 days of the month (they go to the next month). Rec player wanting to stay up/get promoted are encouraged to deposit.

Withdrawals act inversely - winning players get extra points for withdrawing, do you still want to? Losing players get to withdraw without an effect on their points. Winning gives you points, volume gives you points.

Players approaching relegation slots get invites to deposit before the three day cut off for points awards.

Players see their own league position all the time but not other players.


Meanwhile they integrate it to a social network and let the players brag to their mates about moving up or tease them for going down....the football chant options alone will keep the players promoting the site to their mates at zero cost and they will even add a little button saying invite your facebook mate to play at your table, which I must admit I'd use, they can even have a sorry you can't join me (coz your ****) option to help prod his mates into playing.

The bonus system can be changed to league places so if you play premiership you get nicer bonuses. It also fits into the idea of player education, they can have level dependent training materials videos etc - they could even charge for some of it....do you need help to get promoted? Subscribe to our top division 1 coach.....the sites could eat the coaching sites this way too.

If you want bragging right just like in Farmville you can pay for them via deposits and losing a lot (volume). The biggest whales would be in the premiership.

* For Americans this is based on English Soccer Leagues, in real sports leagues (unlike your sports) teams get relegated/promoted each season.

Pokerstars implemented a similar feature. You can pick both the games and limits you want to play and get banned from everything else (i.e. set the buy-in limit for SNG at $0 and you can´t even play them). I love, love, love this feature (it makes games worse overall, but I only care about my own money lol). It obviously shows in my results.

maybe have a tilt or fraud 24 hour cool down if you lose 30% of bank roll . something like that be good for players who tilt or drunk or high . plus if someone hacks you account this may help guy has 10k and 3 hours later he has 7k lock acct 24 hours . idk just a thought

Some of the ideas could be good if implemented properly, but you put too much emphasis on braging rights since the only people who are most interesting in braging would be the people stuck in the worse divisions.

Why? You tweak it so donators rise up the league. The ones who are playing the league (bragging rights) are not playing the same game as the pros.

Those with more money or less respect for it pay more for the higher leagues. Can you imagine a city trader who plays letting his colleagues see him fall out of the premier league? Its the same play attitude but at a different income level.

Sorry i should have added that the social network stuff is not really about just bragging, this is marketing. Sites spend a fortune on ads but this gets their players to promote the game and the site and to nudge players to play more....for free!!! Plus the players are targeting precisely the potential market segment.

If new player acquisition and nudging old players to play again works for free we get more players and the sites save a fortune, making lower rake more viable. This stuff is just free money for the sites. You and I may not care but it matters to the sites.

Zynga spammed facebook to death (which worked for them then) but a monthly poker update.......

Rake is too low. Raise it and give stuff/money back to losing players.

Get rid of all rakeback deals. Everyone plays by the same rules.

Lose HUDs, fish finders etc... I guess anonymous (as an option) is the best way to get there.

Display to everyone in an easy way how many tables/hours your opponents are playing.

Have some tables available to players that only want to play one at a time and against others that want to play one at a time. Could be two/four or so.

Most of the suggestions in this thread are ways to please the regulars/grinders. You don't need to please them.

yes, rake is too low ( for midle and highstakers ofc)

You do realise that you are either contradicting yourself or exposing your trolling here don't you?

Another fairytale WSOP winner. With a name like "Johnny Orphansaver"

I don't believe I am contradicting myself.

You don't get special deals by how/where you signed up like you do today.

Everyone gets the same deal. I think they should do a partial reload to a losing player to get him back playing.

You deposit $500 and lose it, they offer you a $50 for free to get you back.

Something like that.

NVG taking it to another level and claiming raising the rakes is the answer for improving the ecosystem.

Loooollll

I am not a typical NVGer. I have a job and a life away from poker.

Reread it then. You said

Can you not see that giving stuff/money back to losing players is rakeback?

Now I don't want higher rake, I want more back to players from the rake but I do think sites should reward losing payers (from their end) so I guess its one out of three we agree on.

Everyone plays by the same rules is the difference. We no longer punish new players for not signing up the right way.

eliminate rake, charge a monthly fee like $10 to play as much as you want. in terms of online gaming there is nothing special about poker, in fact its much much simpler than running servers for an mmo.

i think this would be awesome... probably wouldn't improve the ecology though

more tv commercials and stuff like that. pokerstars is all over the the media, at least in my country. seems to work.
never once saw a partypoker ad or other stuff, but hey at least party has ads on some porn sites

Casual players like short buys because than they play higher. Buying in for 400 at 5/10 is way different than buying in for 400 at 1/2 way more action in the former scenario.

How about hyper speed tables? where you time out if you take longer than 5 seconds. Casual players hate 24 tabling online nerds slowing down the game. This might not really hurt the sites much as it will get more hands in per hour and they can always have normal speed tables also.

more commercials, more tv-shows etc.

gotta invest i guess, been a pause in all that, hopefully comes around soon.

This is the best idea for improvement I've ever read.