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Old 12-01-2017, 10:18 AM   #76
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Re: Bellagio Poker Cage robbed at gunpoint

wow that is terrible
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Old 12-01-2017, 11:41 AM   #77
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just did a little digging and found similiar image/video of person .... I could still be wrong but think I have something.

was there any mention of a reward?

I could post the similar photo itt to get some feedback but much of facial structure seems to be a match. Also would hate to be potentially wrong and connect potentially innocent party to this.
The reward is living in a marginally safer society where we have one less armed robber getting away with stuff, endangering fellow poker players and citizens. Just do the right thing and call the police and give them your tip if you think it's worthwhile. Ofc you might be wrong, but the police are going to be able to determine it pretty well, they're not idiots. When they post a photo of a suspect and ask the public for help, they're pretty much expecting people to give incorrect tips. So, they're not just going to immediately arrest and interrogate someone based on a tip, but just look into the guy and see if other things add up.

You can call anonymously if you want, even. https://twitter.com/LVMPD/status/935909519950979072
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Old 12-01-2017, 12:53 PM   #78
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I just want to know why in 2017 the Bellagio security cameras are so crappy? At least it's better than the video from the 2010 robbery where there were fuzzy lines running across it like it was recorded on a used VHS tape back in 1983.
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MGM PGP won't allow this. Can't increase costs if it doesn't increase revenue as a result at MGM properties anymore. The only thing that matters these days is how much MGM's stock has increased than anything these days.
It's a pretty simple math question: How much does it cost to update security cameras every x years and how much would doing that save in insurance premiums?
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Old 12-01-2017, 01:41 PM   #79
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The camera really only needs to be good enough to see the cage employee when they do that hand thing and show their palms. That is probably why the camera is so old.
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Old 12-01-2017, 03:04 PM   #80
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It's a pretty simple math question: How much does it cost to update security cameras every x years and how much would doing that save in insurance premiums?
I guess that's their choice. Given how lax MGM is on security though, it's not a place I want to visit again (cheap cameras in themselves are not a big deal, but they are emblematic of a company culture that does not place much value on security...something I've had the displeasure of witnessing first hand).
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Old 12-01-2017, 03:14 PM   #81
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Re: Bellagio Poker Cage robbed at gunpoint

Thats Matt Glantz with wig. 100%.

thats why he didnt go in Bobby's room for obvious and much better score. they would have recognized him.

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Old 12-01-2017, 03:50 PM   #82
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just did a little digging and found similiar image/video of person .... I could still be wrong but think I have something.

was there any mention of a reward?

I could post the similar photo itt to get some feedback but much of facial structure seems to be a match. Also would hate to be potentially wrong and connect potentially innocent party to this.
http://crimestoppersofnv.com/

Don't know if there's a reward, but likely I'd guess.
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Old 12-01-2017, 11:06 PM   #83
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I just read a bunch of the stuff about the Biker Bandit. Just insane! The dude should have just taken the $400000 in small denom chips and he'd have been a free man. Just crazy how he was posting here looking to sell them! Lol
As crazy as it sounds, the $400000 wasn’t enough for him and he needed the extra money. Especially after he was blowing that $400000 gambling at the Bellagio.

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Old 12-02-2017, 06:50 PM   #84
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Do we know if he got chips or cash?
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Cash
Answered so assuredly and quickly......

Wanna trade for some cranberries?
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Old 12-02-2017, 06:58 PM   #85
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Here is one story saying it was cash. Sorry for not linking to it earlier.
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Old 12-02-2017, 07:04 PM   #86
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joke has now lost its funny
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Old 12-02-2017, 08:33 PM   #87
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it had it at one point?
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Old 12-02-2017, 08:49 PM   #88
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apparently fleeting. catch it if you can
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Old 12-02-2017, 09:48 PM   #89
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BELLAGIO POKER CAGE ROBBED AT GUNPOINT

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* (Original Post) -- Tuesday, November 28th, 2017 -- Several poker players report that a cashier's cage located within the Bellagio Las Vegas poker room was robbed at gunpoint. Randy Ohel, James Woods and Ryan LaPlante were among those in the poker room at the time and communicate that they did not notice the crime taking place and are unharmed.

* (Posts #2-4) -- Members allude to how the Bellagio Las Vegas has been a popular target for robbery in recent years, while pointing out that the "North Valet" area of the casino has been used multiple times as a getaway route for robbers.

* (#5) Link to James Woods' tweet about the incident

* (#6-7) References to December 2010 robbery of the Bellagio carried out by the "Biker Bandit" Tony Carleo. Link to infamous TwoPlusTwo posts provided by Michael Minkoff (aka "ProfessionalPoker")

* (#8) Link to an initial news story from News 3 Las Vegas (NBC affiliate) -- images of culprit included

* (#9-11) More references to the "Biker Bandit" along with a link to Carleo's unsuccessful attempt to sell $25,000 denomination chips he had stolen via private means here on 2+2

* (#12-14) Las Vegas Metro Police communicate the suspect's getaway car license plate -- explanation of why robbers don't typically alter the license plate of their getaway vehicles

* (#15-16) Being inconvenienced by an armed robbery

* (#17-19) More references to December 2010 "Biker Bandit"

* (#20-21) Doyle Brunson tweets that the November 2017 Bellagio Poker Cage robber got away with $35,000 -- but that there was $200,000 cash on hand in the high stakes "Bobby's Room" that had not been deposited

* (#22-23) Bellagio generally only allows in-house poker chips to be exchanged at the actual poker room cage (Trevor Pope -- aka "that_pope" enters thread)

* (#24) Speculation on how much the Nov 2017 robber made off with

* (#25) Images of the suspect

--- Wednesday, November 29th, 2017 ---

* (#26-28) More "Biker Bandit" discussion

* (#29) More discussion on difficulties in cashing out poker chips in a non-poker room cage within Bellagio

* (#30-33) Allen Kessler (aka "doublejoker" or "chainsaw") enters the thread. Discussion of Bellagio poker room security

* (#34-39) Posters wonder whether Nov 2017 robber was/is a poker player -- joke speculation on WHO it could be

* (#40-47) More discussion on live poker room security measures and balancing them with customer convenience

--- Thursday, November 30th, 2017 ---

* (#48) Another reference to 2010 Bellagio "Biker Bandit"

* (#49-56) More discussion on land-based casino security measures, insurance claims, customer convenience

* (#57-58) Reports are the the Nov 2017 robber made off with cash, not chips

* (#59-61) More discussion on insurance & security

* (#62-67) Las Vegas Metro Police release video of robbery as it occurred -- show suspect in action and getting away in late-model Chevy Cruze

--- Friday, December 1st, 2017 ---

* (#68-69) New 2+2 poster "ICrushDreams" wonders if he recognizes the Nov 2017 Bellagio robber

* (#70) #RobberLife taped glasses

* (#71) Reference to video shared by LVMPD

* (#72-77) "ICrushDreams" is told to contact official law enforcement outlets if he/she has information that may assist officials with the capture of the robber. Reward discussion in the thread.

* (#78-80) Discussion about security cameras

* (#81) More joke speculation on which poker personality would best fit as assailant

* (#82) Link to Las Vegas Crime Stoppers

* (#83) Another reference to 2010 "Biker Bandit"

--- Saturday, December 2nd, 2017 ---

* (#84) "ICrushDreams" posts SPOILER image that was allegedly submitted to LV Crime Stoppers

* (#85-86) Link to Fox 5 Vegas story that reports the Nov 2017 robber made off with cash, not chips

* (#87-89) NVG veterans confirm "Biker Bandit" references have lost their luster

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Old 12-02-2017, 10:13 PM   #90
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Re: Bellagio Poker Cage robbed at gunpoint

Someone has way too much time on their hands.
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Old 12-02-2017, 10:24 PM   #91
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* (#87-89) NVG veterans confirm "Biker Bandit" references have lost their luster
Got a good laugh at that.
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Old 12-03-2017, 10:13 PM   #92
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Looks very similar to Antonio E's best friend, especially the makeup job that we've already seen from him.
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Old 12-04-2017, 01:35 AM   #93
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* (#90) post by post breakdown, in dept cliffs notes
* (#91) critique of post 90
* (#92) another biker bandit mention
* (#93) This may be Antonio Esfandiari's best friend
* (#94) continuation of post 90
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Old 12-04-2017, 02:01 AM   #94
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Was the robber a person who wanted to rob a casino and decided the Bellagio poker cage was a weak point or was it someone who spent enough time in the Bellagio poker room to see it as a potential easy target?

If he didn't act alone, would he have a confederate at a poker table or near the poker room who could warn him off if unforeseen conditions made a robbery less viable?

I know that if I were planning a crime like this, I would have spent some time trying to figure out the optimal time to rob the cage. Maybe someone has been tasked with looking through relevant security footage that may have been archived.
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Old 12-04-2017, 03:10 AM   #95
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Could be... that's always a possibility.

But I'm not so sure that would be much of a consideration for someone who's carrying a gun into a casino. Would seem more like such collaboration would revolve around $$$ amount as U.S. service-industry personnel have been taught for decades to surrender whatever an armed assailant demands. The standard play has traditionally been to let the armed culprit(s) get away with anything other than another human being long enough to count w/e it is alone. Then there are some passive-aggressive security measures that will trip up desperate people (which makes up a large percentage of armed robbers), starting from the Point of Sale terminal where the robbery takes place. And that's of course on top of the completely aggro law enforcement heat that brings its own collaboration methods in the mix with informants who are more than happy to put in effort on behalf of their communities or because their need for a favor from prosecutors.

Doyle mentioned there was $200k cash waiting for deposit in Bobby's Room, yet the robber targeted the cage cashier. If I were to freestyle it I would put the line against collaboration in the recent Bellagio robbery. But I'd most definitely take 180:1 odds for some insider-angle if someone were to gift that to you.

Hopefully they catch the robber and his accomplices if applicable. Unfortunately there's rarely little hope for full recovery of funds 48 hours after the crime has occurred.

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Old 12-04-2017, 04:16 AM   #96
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Why do you hope they catch him? I always root for guys like this who have astronomical odds of not getting caught. I root for people who are trying to outrun the police in police chases. I root for escaped prisoners. Etc
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Old 12-04-2017, 04:39 AM   #97
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Why do you hope they catch him? I always root for guys like this who have astronomical odds of not getting caught. I root for people who are trying to outrun the police in police chases. I root for escaped prisoners. Etc
I get the fascination or that element of it, but there's a distinction imo when it comes to individuals who threaten other human beings in that manner. As cute as it was to see the wig & glasses getup and to be relieved that no one got physically hurt in this case, I don't think it's too #OOL to classify the perp as just another massively inconsiderate f*** who has some amount of explaining to do and consequences to pay if/when he's caught. Just my view though.
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Old 12-04-2017, 08:32 AM   #98
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I get the fascination or that element of it, but there's a distinction imo when it comes to individuals who threaten other human beings in that manner. As cute as it was to see the wig & glasses getup and to be relieved that no one got physically hurt in this case, I don't think it's too #OOL to classify the perp as just another massively inconsiderate f*** who has some amount of explaining to do and consequences to pay if/when he's caught. Just my view though.
Not to mention that a "successful" robbery without getting caught is likely to inspire copycats which increases the chances of someone getting hurt in a situation like this.
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Old 12-04-2017, 01:41 PM   #99
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Looks like Chainsaw imo
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Looks like Chainsaw imo
Highly unlikely, he would have tried to get comped for his time spent on the premises.
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