When exactly was this "one day"?

And to the post above mine, if the dealer is a female, she will get tipped by Sammy. If Sammy is on a rush, steamrolling a game, and in a jovial mood (all three factors absolutely must be present), then a dealer of the male persuasion may get a tip from him. Otherwise, he's quite the stiff.

Security is for the casino and not for the players, they couldn't care less.

It seems as the only ones who cares about the players are the players and they don't even do it well.
Online as live, UB etc. They could have stopped that if they had cared.

Someone should get their act together and keep a list of names with photos etc on all bogus dealers online so
it would be possible to keep track of them since the casinos don't care.

If dealers are spending $$s(10ks+) around them everyone should know where they got the money from.
Everyone at the B or other places probably knows exactly who they are but do nothing about it since they despise the players.

barrg1, you never fail to deliver. Thanks for posting here.

Easy method for roulette dealers to steal with is a device called a beancounter.

Basically an elasticated cord that goes up a sleeve, with a little clear fishing line loop that's hooked around an index finger. Where the cord passes the palm, is a little sticky pad. For magicians, imagine the Raven with a sticky pad. When it comes to clearing the layout, the dealer hooks the thread onto his finger, and once a high denomination chip is stuck to the pad, it just pings up his sleeve.

This just redeemed the entire thread.

Excellent post Barry.

+1

I could read BarryG anecdotes all day, everyday.

He's always been a good tipper, he comes form the land of absurd tips in poker games, where if you are playing €800-€1600 they come make €100 change in €2 if you happen to run out.

I think the moral of this situation is, dealers should be paid living wage. Tips should not be allowed to anyone who can influence outcomes of games, and RFID chips should be used. Doubtful anything to do with getting rid of tipping is ever going to happen in Vegas though.

Here in London they recently changed laws to allow tipping in casinos. Only Americans ever tip (making you guys very popular). They have also started allowing rake games with wonky procedures on rake. I have not seen any dealers at the Vic poker room stealing (despite poor procedures concerning rake and time and intermingling with tips), as they have to share tips and get paid well, but in other clubs I have...

In one club I have seen 3-4 different dealers stealing from the pot in 1-2 NL. It is a "sports" club so drop boxes are not permitted and everything done out of tray and the dealers are of a far lower standard in terms of procedural training. They don't get paid much and rely on tips. The haphazard way of counting the rake and then making change for it presents awesome opportunity to steal even clumsily.

I play 1/2 at The Trop and most of the players are young in their 20s or regular people with a day job like me. I don't come across as many scum bags as people think. Mostly regular people that play poker for recreation or some college kid that wants to see if he can make a little side cash. I would have to agree that it sounds logical to have more problems at the higher limits because that's where you will have more degenerates looking for a big score, and pro poker players. I very rarely see any heated arguments at 1/2 because the stakes just aren't big enough to warrant that much tension. If I lose a few hundred I go get a drink and lose more playing Blackjack. Just another weekend of gambling.

im surprised this doesnt happen more often. maybe it does tho and im jus clueless. yea that sprobably it.

Former dealer here. I wanted to chime in on this topic. If this story is true it is the exception that proves the rule. I never once took a chip that didn't belong to me and I don't know of any dealers that did. Most full time dealer are very well compensated for what really amounts to uneducated labor and are not going to risks their jobs and jail time for an endeavor that will almost certainly get them fired/ arrested. I didn't work at the Bellagio but somewhere comparable and I averaged about $300- $400/ 8 hr shift not including the measly $6.65/ hr. That amounts to about $1.50 tip/ hand.

I often found that believe it or not, the tourist playing 3/6 limit would tip $5+ per hand when you shipped them a $60 pot. Vegas locals and "pros" are the worst tippers because they realize that over a course of a year between rake and tips you will give away thousands of dollars of your profit. For some added perspective let me add that before I dealt I played for a living exclusively for about 3 years (yes I went semi busto and needed a little more stable income) and I rarely ever tipped more than $2 on a hand even at 10-20 nl unless it was a monster pot or really hot female dealer.

For the record, I have dealt to many high stakes pros and have found that most are nice and tip a fair amount. Many times you will deal a table for 30 minutes and get nothing and as you are walking away they will throw you a $20 chip.

Most people that forget to tip do it inadvertantly. The rush of getting a big pot shipped to you is a lot to deal with for some people and they honestly forget to tip. I can't tell you the number of times somebody forgot to tip me and then remembered and threw me a couple of redbirds because they were so embarassed.

Anyway, just wanted to shed some light on this and thanks to Barry for his take and input.

I know, TL; DR etc. etc

Great, this has turned into another tipping the dealer thread.

Not trying to make it that. I think just throw the dealer a buck or 2 and move on. Regardless, I don't care if you get stiffed all day, stealing from the pot is never acceptable. For the record, contrary to what has been posted itt, no dealer ever caught stealing or cheating will ever be able to get a job in any casino anywhere ever. The background checks to get a job at a casino are extensive and every casino will report this behavior to the authorities and the gaming commision.

I think the lack of love is 'cause the original quote about being empathetic has nothing to do Rand.

I could understand . . .

Paul Krugman, LOL'd
Barack Obama, LOL'd
Democrat, LOL'd

Ayn Rand = Laissez Faire Capitalism, NOT economic equality

Sry, no

Don't they always?

I had to reread Barry's post three times because I wasn't sure he was talking about the same David Benyamine. In the last two years when the LAPC came around, I dealt at his table over 10 times in those two months and he never once tipped a dollar (which is fine), but I only really noticed it because both he and Mike M would go on a huge rush every time I sat down, and neither had ever tipped. It surprised me because I thought Mike used to be a dealer.

And for the record, Barry G = always been great to the dealers, even if he is not running great.

Should be quoted in the "Phil Ivey is the Stone Cold Nuts" thread. Literally laughing at the thought of Ivey being like good for him - thats ballsy and ingenious. lolllllll

Sort of starting to think Barry is just leveling everyone though with some of these stories.

Years ago, this thing wouldn't be a problem due to the procedures put in place for all dealers.(clearing hands, never touching the top of a chip stack but pushing chips from the bottom, making every movement in a particular order, etc) Also, dealers were not allowed to leave their sleeves loosened. If they didn't have a uniform shirt supplied by the casino they were supposed to button the tightest button on their white shirts.
Enter the poker boom. Rooms hire inexperienced floors to keep up with demands, these floors don't check out on dealer procedures and the dealers that are getting away with this sort of thing become floors. It's going to continue to happen because the only way to get a dealing job in Vegas nowadays is if you juice the floors, happen to be a hot chick, don't have a gag reflex or are related to somebody.
A couple rooms on the strip do intensive background checks(e.g. Venetian) and they don't hire dealers that are behind on child support and things of that nature that may cause somebody to act out of desperation.

In case you are wondering, Where did my post go?

Deleting derailing off-topic toking posts.

Some casinos have the RFID chips already in high denom. chips. used to spot counters and track player action...

and what do we learn from that ? never play live

The old days this would be dealt with and you never worried about it happening again from that dealer

Do you really believe this?

True

NOT true
Casinos don't want record of theft or cheating on public record so will do what they can to avoid that circumstance. USUALLY the only time theft charges are pursued criminally is when GRAND theft is provable.

+1

i would imagine 1k abouts.
but, if they can give some1 2 years+ in NV for putting a 5.00 blackjack bet down, and then snatching it up and trying 2 run like hell outta the casino when he loses, then this dealer's gonna be sharin a cell w/ OJ.
And yes, auto lifetime ban from even working as a dishawasher in any cardroom in NV, CA, NJ, and most indian reservation