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08-01-2009 , 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by karpov
Another advantage of playing online is that you don't have to deal with this kind of thing. Tony a Vietnamese dealer was escorted by the police after Erik123 realized he was 1k short in a split Omaha 8 pot, they counted the pot and the other guy was short as well, 2k missing. After several tape reviews they realized the dealer was taking the chips. This is the last of several dealers caught at the Bellagio later.
This dealer is not the only one employing this tactic. A lot of my friends use this kind of trick as well against mostly rich idiots (who almost never pay attention to $$$). Some of them are dealers, some of them are cashiers. I can assure you, this trick works every time but once. The probability of getting caught is very slim, assuming that the person masters some tricks such as sleight-of-hand.

EDIT: Most of these dealers/cashiers steal from the rich. They normally do not steal from the poor. They just want the money to buy stuff. Very few do this for a needy cause, such as feeding their family. I can't comment much about Tony's case, but stealing $1K chips? That's too excessive. He got greedy, I guess and paid the ultimate price.

Last edited by gaiachaos; 08-01-2009 at 12:19 AM. Reason: It's surprisingly easy to steal from the rich~
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08-01-2009 , 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by gaiachaos
They just want the money to buy stuff.
hmm, I disagree. I think most dealers have grandiose plans to become captains of industry
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08-01-2009 , 12:38 AM
so sick
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08-01-2009 , 01:04 AM
I can't imagine any dealer can get away with this indefinitely, and I doubt any ever quit once they start doing it. I'm pretty sure your gaming license is terminated forever if you do anything like this in AC.
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08-01-2009 , 01:37 AM
Any independent verification on this story? Was someone booked on this?

Additional description of the dealer?
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08-01-2009 , 01:49 AM
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Originally Posted by gaiachaos
This dealer is not the only one employing this tactic. A lot of my friends use this kind of trick as well against mostly rich idiots (who almost never pay attention to $$$). Some of them are dealers, some of them are cashiers. I can assure you, this trick works every time but once. The probability of getting caught is very slim, assuming that the person masters some tricks such as sleight-of-hand.

EDIT: Most of these dealers/cashiers steal from the rich. They normally do not steal from the poor. They just want the money to buy stuff. Very few do this for a needy cause, such as feeding their family. I can't comment much about Tony's case, but stealing $1K chips? That's too excessive. He got greedy, I guess and paid the ultimate price.
the insight demonstrated in this post is staggering
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08-01-2009 , 02:20 AM
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Originally Posted by RUFFNECK
I think what is being done is essentially a coin palming slight of hand trick, where they grip the chip in between the pinkie and fore finger, but can still keep the hand flat. What I can't seem to figure out is where he is dropping the chip.

Where do they drop tokes @ Bellagio? Box or shirt pocket?
That would work, but you don't have to use any fingers. Just scoop the chip up with your palm. Very easy to do if the chips in the pot are stacked up like in split pot games. Just palm it, scratch your chest while slipping it in your shirt pocket, or scratch the back of your neck while dropping it down your shirt.
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08-01-2009 , 02:29 AM
if he was into a bookie for a good sum, he just lost his way to pay the weekly vig. Consequences for this could end up dire indeed.
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08-01-2009 , 02:43 AM
I knew live was rigged
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08-01-2009 , 03:19 AM
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Originally Posted by AdamSchwartz
Really bad analogy.

In one, the owners of a company were stealing from you, got off with no punishment and might still be involved with the company for all we know.
Fail. The analogy is just fine... you just don't want to admit it because you've got a vendetta against AP/UB.
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08-01-2009 , 05:04 AM
must be ****ing ******ed to do something like that when you actually are a bobby's room dealer. I mean those guys make insane amounts of tip? I recall that lady that got like a couple of hundreds in tip for 20 min of dealing or so and she whined in the bar afterwards... "how much should you have gotten?" "atleast 6000". Scum.
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08-01-2009 , 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Lana_Lang
must be ****ing ******ed to do something like that when you actually are a bobby's room dealer. I mean those guys make insane amounts of tip? I recall that lady that got like a couple of hundreds in tip for 20 min of dealing or so and she whined in the bar afterwards... "how much should you have gotten?" "atleast 6000". Scum.

any dealer in that room would gladly not deal in Bobby's room if given the choice.

edit: unless they are stealing chips of course
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08-01-2009 , 05:55 AM
anyone hear of any stories like this happening at commerce? time to start paying attention to the pot and dealers.
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08-01-2009 , 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by no eff eks
Fail. The analogy is just fine... you just don't want to admit it because you've got a vendetta against AP/UB.
LOL. Not anything even close. We'll start with people being arrested....
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08-01-2009 , 06:24 AM
I knew of a dealer in a canadian casino who got caught stealing chips off of the table dealing BJ. He would act like he was coughing and slip them down his shirt sleeve.
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08-01-2009 , 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by AdamSchwartz
Really bad analogy.

In one, the owners of a company were stealing from you, got off with no punishment and might still be involved with the company for all we know.

In the other it's a low level employee that was caught, left in handcuffs and will likely be prosecuted.


When you employ someone and put them in positions of trust, you're assuming responsibility for their actions.


The principle behind people who refuse to give AP/UB action is that they wont give their business to a company that lacks integrity. Bellagio choosing to not compensate victims is outrageous even if they're not legally obligated to. Even AP/UB managed that, with admittedly less than pure intentions.


But no one will stop going to the bellagio for doing something filthy like that, because no one in their right mind is going to **** themselves out of playing in all the biggest, best games around just so they can stick it to the man.
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08-01-2009 , 07:43 AM
maybe he needed the money?
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08-01-2009 , 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by I.M. Baked
risk:reward decreases massivly if a dealer steals from small stakes. i think you got to be greedy and ******ed to risk your career to steal a few bucks but having worked in the industry ive seen it first hand. how much do bellagio dealers make?
As somebody in the industry, I will tell you that the rate of dealers getting fired for stealing is alarming... i know of like a half dozen or so this year
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08-01-2009 , 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by iCountCards
maybe he needed the money?
to buy stuff? good point
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08-01-2009 , 08:10 AM
Guys, as a live player for a loooong time I can be somewhat nostalgic. With that said, I really think we are past the need for dealers. It's really effecting the game.

I'm gonna miss a lot of them, but can no longer justify their presence, especially with how much they take off the tables directly, and indirectly. I CAN tell you I never thought I would say something like that, guess online has changed me.

Edit: just want to add that there is something pimpin' about having a live dealer, so maybe keep'em in high stakes, but for tourneys and mid/low stakes it's just no longer justified.

Last edited by Nofx Fan; 08-01-2009 at 08:16 AM.
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08-01-2009 , 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Nofx Fan
Guys, as a live player for a loooong time I can be somewhat nostalgic. With that said, I really think we are past the need for dealers. It's really effecting the game.

I'm gonna miss a lot of them, but can no longer justify their presence, especially with how much they take off the tables directly, and indirectly. I CAN tell you I never thought I would say something like that, guess online has changed me.

Edit: just want to add that there is something pimpin' about having a live dealer, so maybe keep'em in high stakes, but for tourneys and mid/low stakes it's just no longer justified.

Yes you right i am sure dealers take out alot directly and indirectly in tournements.
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08-01-2009 , 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by zigi
Yes you right i am sure dealers take out alot directly and indirectly in tournements.
Meaning tips/and indirectly in "staff fee's"

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08-01-2009 , 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by simonphoenix
Any dealer EVER caught stealing should be fired and never allowed to work in any casino again.
In these cases i suspect it's prison
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08-01-2009 , 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by joejoe1337
In after cliff.

I swear dealers must be ******ed to steal
FYP
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08-01-2009 , 09:40 AM
So shady.
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