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09-22-2008 , 01:39 AM
ANOTHER story from behinds the scenes at the BDPS (our topic of discussion). Egos. There were many Egos at the show. The Champ was there, and arguably Phil possess the biggest Ego in poker (I disagree and IMO it is part act). I went to bed earlier than most the first night, I live on CST and was tired from the travel. BUT I heard great stories from parties from the night before. The second night, as I have described previously in a post, the goon squad ended up in my room late night. There was MUCH EGO in that room! lol.
To call a man cocky is to label. I prefer him to call him confident! Who am I to deny another man his personality? One of the contestants told his story of his Main Event. I had heard about this guy from another contestant, as she called him cocky and loud, and snickered as she said, ‘Everyone, was calling him ‘Mr. Vegas’ behind his back last night.'
Well. I must admit. The guy appeared to LOOK like Mr. Vegas to me after he told his WSOP Main Event story. He grew up in Vegas. We looked him up on the internet as WE partied, AND ‘Sweet fancy Moses’, there was his WSOP biography, complete with a picture of himself with a mountain of chips to his chin. Real poker players, Real reality. I was not the most interesting person there obviously.

Good Luck and ENJOY!

Scott Clark
09-22-2008 , 01:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by scottyclark
ANOTHER story from behinds the scenes at the BDPS (our topic of discussion). Egos. There were many Egos at the show. The Champ was there, and arguably Phil possess the biggest Ego in poker (I disagree and IMO it is part act). I went to bed earlier than most the first night, I live on CST and was tired from the travel. BUT I heard great stories from parties from the night before. The second night, as I have described previously in a post, the goon squad ended up in my room late night. There was MUCH EGO in that room! lol.
To call a man cocky is to label. I prefer him to call him confident! Who am I to deny another man his personality? One of the contestants told his story of his Main Event. I had heard about this guy from another contestant, as she called him cocky and loud, and snickered as she said, ‘Everyone, was calling him ‘Mr. Vegas’ behind his back last night.'
Well. I must admit. The guy appeared to LOOK like Mr. Vegas to me after he told his WSOP Main Event story. He grew up in Vegas. We looked him up on the internet as WE partied, AND ‘Sweet fancy Moses’, there was his WSOP biography, complete with a picture of himself with a mountain of chips to his chin. Real poker players, Real reality. I was not the most interesting person there obviously.

Good Luck and ENJOY!

Scott Clark
was it this guy?

09-22-2008 , 05:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oopspoops
Its ok though, whats a few spoilers? It will take UB 2-3 years to notice anything is wrong.
Awesome!
09-22-2008 , 03:42 PM
I would like to go off topic and discuss a television broadcast I watched on ESPN Classic a few nights ago. The WSOP Tournament was the 2004 broadcast of Johnny ’Noodles’ Hennigan winning a LIMIT Holdem bracelet. Go Irish!
The Final Table included Hennigan, David Chui, An Tran, Jim McManus, and some personality named Alex Powers. Basically, it was the broadcast where Powers raises in the dark and McManus says Powers is ‘disrespecting the game’. Later in another hand, McManus calls Powers with ‘Queen high’ on the river. Wow. Did Powers have that guy McManus bugged up! AND Powers went on to rub in it for the cameras (incorrectly stating it was 'Jack high').
My act could NEVER be compared this guy Powers. While amusing, I could never go that far unless the situation was amongst friends in a private game. As Powers poured it on McManus, I began to root for ‘the brother‘. I found it entertaining that Johnny World, as he drank his longneck at the final table, would laugh as Powers poured it on the respected McManus. Powers would exit the Final Table early (and as expected). ‘Cornflakes’ Hennigan in his post victory interview with Norman Chad , would express the following:

Norman Chad: ‘You survived the storm that was Alex Powers?
Johnny World: ‘Yes. He was a lot of fun. I love to play with guys like that. A lot of people thought what he was doing was ‘like crazy’. I like guys like that.’

WE like guys like you also Johnny World! Good Luck and ENJOY!

Scott Clark

Last edited by scottyclark; 09-22-2008 at 03:51 PM.
09-22-2008 , 04:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by scottyclark
I would like to go off topic and discuss a television broadcast I watched on ESPN Classic a few nights ago. The WSOP Tournament was the 2004 broadcast of Johnny ’Noodles’ Hennigan winning a LIMIT Holdem bracelet. Go Irish!
The Final Table included Hennigan, David Chui, An Tran, Jim McManus, and some personality named Alex Powers. Basically, it was the broadcast where Powers raises in the dark and McManus says Powers is ‘disrespecting the game’. Later in another hand, McManus calls Powers with ‘Queen high’ on the river. Wow. Did Powers have that guy McManus bugged up! AND Powers went on to rub in it for the cameras (incorrectly stating it was 'Jack high').
My act could NEVER be compared this guy Powers. While amusing, I could never go that far unless the situation was amongst friends in a private game. As Powers poured it on McManus, I began to root for ‘the brother‘. I found it entertaining that Johnny World, as he drank his longneck at the final table, would laugh as Powers poured it on the respected McManus. Powers would exit the Final Table early (and as expected). ‘Cornflakes’ Hennigan in his post victory interview with Norman Chad , would express the following:

Norman Chad: ‘You survived the storm that was Alex Powers?
Johnny World: ‘Yes. He was a lot of fun. I love to play with guys like that. A lot of people thought what he was doing was ‘like crazy’. I like guys like that.’

WE like guys like you also Johnny World! Good Luck and ENJOY!

Scott Clark
BTW I was the Tournament Director for that tournament and Powers, McManus, or Hennigan never called another player a Phucker.
09-22-2008 , 05:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt Savage
BTW I was the Tournament Director for that tournament and Powers, McManus, or Hennigan never called another player a Phucker.
Do any of those players Shill for UB as you sometimes do?
09-22-2008 , 05:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by scottyclark
I would like to go off topic and discuss a television broadcast I watched on ESPN Classic a few nights ago. The WSOP Tournament was the 2004 broadcast of Johnny ’Noodles’ Hennigan winning a LIMIT Holdem bracelet. Go Irish!
The Final Table included Hennigan, David Chui, An Tran, Jim McManus, and some personality named Alex Powers. Basically, it was the broadcast where Powers raises in the dark and McManus says Powers is ‘disrespecting the game’. Later in another hand, McManus calls Powers with ‘Queen high’ on the river. Wow. Did Powers have that guy McManus bugged up! AND Powers went on to rub in it for the cameras (incorrectly stating it was 'Jack high').
My act could NEVER be compared this guy Powers. While amusing, I could never go that far unless the situation was amongst friends in a private game. As Powers poured it on McManus, I began to root for ‘the brother‘. I found it entertaining that Johnny World, as he drank his longneck at the final table, would laugh as Powers poured it on the respected McManus. Powers would exit the Final Table early (and as expected). ‘Cornflakes’ Hennigan in his post victory interview with Norman Chad , would express the following:

Norman Chad: ‘You survived the storm that was Alex Powers?
Johnny World: ‘Yes. He was a lot of fun. I love to play with guys like that. A lot of people thought what he was doing was ‘like crazy’. I like guys like that.’

WE like guys like you also Johnny World! Good Luck and ENJOY!

Scott Clark
you mean elix powers?

09-22-2008 , 06:22 PM
Dear Scotty,

I believe you have a future in the poker world. You should hire a good agent to represent you. I recommend Oliver Tse, who shares your perceptive abilities.
09-22-2008 , 06:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PokrLikeItsProse
Dear Scotty,

I believe you have a future in the poker world. You should hire a good agent to represent you. I recommend Oliver Tse, who shares your perceptive abilities.


09-22-2008 , 08:11 PM
fwiw...i have a temper like OP's, so i totally understand his argument. regardless of the location/situation, if i feel like i'm being wronged and/or talked down to, i'm responding in kind.

trust me, it's gotten me into trouble in a million different situations, with friends, co-workers, bosses, unknowns, whoever...

so, in a circumstance where i'm being made to feel like i'll get 'made fun of on tv', i'm going off, regardless of phil helmuth, UB, teammates, whoever...

as i've read this thread, i increasingly am happy that I wasn't the OP, because i could see me telling this story, and everyone eventually piling on me for being ridiculous, and me TOTALLY not understanding why i'd be in the wrong..

100%.

that all said, microbob ain't wrong, at all. he's right, in that WTF were you doing?

THAT said, i understand...

*shrug*

p.s. good thread so far..
09-22-2008 , 08:30 PM
every good thread needs a theme song...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXZMZ-XvvzI

Last edited by stickdude; 09-22-2008 at 08:51 PM.
09-22-2008 , 08:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mookman5
Do any of those players Shill for UB as you sometimes do?
Maybe Elix does, I am not sure, but McManus and Hennigan do not
09-22-2008 , 09:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wiper
fwiw...i have a temper like OP's, so i totally understand his argument. regardless of the location/situation, if i feel like i'm being wronged and/or talked down to, i'm responding in kind.

p.s. good thread so far..
When one of these guys post it makes me want to let 'Scotty' out of the bag!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt Savage
BTW I was the Tournament Director for that tournament and Powers, McManus, or Hennigan never called another player a Phucker.
Savage shoots. Scores!

Quote:
Originally Posted by stickdude
every good thread needs a theme song...
I agree. You should have never said that to a DJ...My thread. Hit it Jim.

Welcome to my world
Won't you come on in
Miracles I guess
Still happen now and then
Step into my heart
Leave your cares behind
Welcome to my world
Built with you in mind
Knock and the door will open
Seek and you will find
Ask and you'll be given
The key to this world of mine
I'll be waiting here
With my arms unfurled
Waiting just for you
Welcome to my world

Knock and the door will open
Seek and you will find...


Good Luck and ENJOY! LMAO

Scott Clark
09-22-2008 , 10:44 PM
dude how about using your blog. i dont want to see this crap.
09-23-2008 , 04:26 AM
I'm starting to think the same thing.
As amusing as scotty is I don't think an all-Scotty thread dedicated to whatever he is thinking is really appropriate (slippery slope argument and all that).

Scotty - please me mindful that 2+2 is not your personal blog-space when posting here otherwise this thread may need to be locked.
09-25-2008 , 01:49 AM
So I'm the guy that Scotty Clark called a during the recent filming of the Best Damn Poker Show. In case you missed his post you can find it here

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...r-show-300065/

I felt obliged to make this post because a few things are really getting lost in the noise surrounding Scotty's thread.

First, regarding Scotty: I got nothing against the guy and liked the short time we played together. We were having fun at the table and I'm sure most if not all of the players got bleeped at some point during the filming. That said, Scotty and myself were probably the most raucous. It was in good fun. And I was about to tell Scotty he reminded me of my brother when he called me a . BTW that sealed it -- he was EXACTLY like my brother. But no matter how coarse our banter got, up until this instance, I don't think anyone crossed the line with personal attacks.

Second, regarding Scotty calling me a : When Scotty did say the word combo we all know you can't say in poker, I told Matt Savage that I took no offense and felt no need to penalize Scotty when Matt came over to talk to him. Still, I think Matt's ruling was correct. He had told us before that the tournament was governed by TDA rules. And if you are going to play any kind of serious tournament poker you just gotta train yourself not to say certain things. As some incidents have demonstrated, controlling your explicatives can be as important as controlling your tells.

Third, regarding Scotty's reaction of walking out of the tournament: I think it was ridiculous. Not only was he walking away from a good shot at $20,000 in free money, but he was doing it on national TV! But for reasons to be discussed later, I don't think Scotty did a disservice to his team. The disservice was only to himself. Scotty has said that one of his main reasons for doing the show was to show off his talent for potential backers. Well, speaking as someone who has backed a number of players, I would really have reservations about backing someone who would just walk away from a final table over a perceived injustice with minor impact. And his complaints about, Fox Sports, UB, Annie and the others involved with the show strike me as sour grapes. I for one was treated exceptionally well by the film crew and everyone else involved . . . and I'm no UB insider. I've played fewer than 20 tournaments on that site.

Finally, lost in all of this is what effect Scotty's absence had on the actual tournament. And this is what I would really like to have some discussion about. So here is the situation:

This is a team format with three players on each team. Points are awarded by order of elimination. Each player on the team with the most points gets an entry to the Aruba Classic (value of $8,500). Also, the last eliminated player on EACH team gets a WSOP package (value of $12,000). So you could come in fourth and still win $12K if the three remaining players were all on the same team. When Scotty walked, Team Duke had to place at least first and third to win. If either Team Duke player came in fourth, Team Hellmuth won. When Scotty left, the blinds were 2K/4k w/ a 1K ante. Seat one (Team Hellmuth) had 260,000. Seat two (me, Team Duke) had 160,000. Seat three (Scotty, Team Hellmuth) had 70,00 before the penalty. Seat four (Team Duke) had 110,000.

By virtue of Scotty leaving, I was the button twice every round of four hands -- advantage me. Also, my partner often got a walk in his big blind if the reaming TH player folded -- advantage TD. Team Hellmuth had the obvious advantage of being able to put tremendous pressure on us by using Scotty's dead stack as the ultimate bubble hammer. Also, Scotty essentially handed the remaining player on his team $12,000 cash by virtue of the WSOP seat. So I'm interested in whether the poker minds out there think Scotty's move favored Team Hellmuth or Team Duke and why. I think it favored Team Hellmuth at the time, but I want to hear some of your thoughts first.

Let me know,

C00LHandNuke

Last edited by gregorio; 09-25-2008 at 03:56 AM.
09-25-2008 , 02:05 AM
09-25-2008 , 02:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daliman
bwahahahaha nice!
09-28-2008 , 04:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by vanasds

So I'm interested in whether the poker minds out there think Scotty's move favored Team Hellmuth or Team Duke and why.

C00LHandNuke
I’m thinking it favored ANYONE not named Scott. Enjoy Aruba brother!

Phill Hellmuth Jr. has also addressed the BDPS in his blog.

http://www.philhellmuth.com/phil-hel...g.html?id=2760

In regards to PHs blog entry, I will say, I NEVER felt overwhelmed at any point. You can classify my refusal to continue to work with the BDPS Staff as a ‘meltdown’, but I would ask Phil to look at his role in all this. In the days following the taping of the show, a concerned insider (this party had a big role) from the show called me and requested to hear my side of the story. He went on to say, ‘I heard the Executive Producer’s side of the story. I’m sure it differs from what the truth is’. Our resulting conversation was enlightening...

Apology to you Phil? For what, exactly? You have accesss to my home number obviously...

Scott Clark
09-30-2008 , 06:13 PM
Another contestant on the BDPS has been identified at Wicked Chops Poker.

http://wickedchopspoker.blogs.com/my...ina-lindl.html

Men, don't hurt yourselves...her homepage with pics (portfolio).

http://christinalindley.net/
09-30-2008 , 06:26 PM
Scotty - Are you promoting the show you walked out of?

I'm starting to give credit to the idea that you are merely spamming for your own show and you are actually trying to help it via this thread and all the drama.
09-30-2008 , 07:13 PM
The WCP post of Lindley was 3 weeks ago. If Scotty's trying to spam the show, he sucks at it.
10-07-2008 , 10:19 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MicroBob
I'm starting to give credit to the idea that you are merely spamming for your own show
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevmath
If Scotty's trying to spam the show, he sucks at it.
Yeah. What Kev said.

Heres a 7 minute clip from last years show. Complete with:
1. Cutesy opening intro for the show
2. The 'draft' of team members
3. Drama surrounding Hollywood Dave's selection
4. Shaudale slighted
5. Complete roster of teams

Scott Ian and Tracy Scala have been signed as UB pros since the show. Serinda Swan is the spokesmodel for Absolute Poker, Victor Bigio is employed by UB, Tom Green is rumored to now be a UB employee, Joe Reitman is Annie Duke's boyfriend, Gary DeBernardi is a 'house pro' for UB. The role of Jenny Tilly is played by Jenny Tilly. Shaundale Pruitt was not picked in this clip, because Phil favored Serinda. Shaundale was brought back as a contestant on season two.

I can say I know Victor, Gary, and Tom. I like them all and they were not associated with the second season of the show.

http://www.pokertube.com/Movies.aspx...%20show&list=9

Last edited by scottyclark; 10-07-2008 at 10:31 AM.
10-07-2008 , 10:59 PM
A contestant slighted by Hellmuth for a supermodel?... I'm having deja vu.
10-08-2008 , 12:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hollywood Dan
Lastly, I'm a bit confused why you are disclosing all the details of the show months before it airs. Having worked in television for many years now, I can tell you that its extremely unprofessional to disclose these types of details about a show before it airs. It really discredits a lot of the hard work and effort that all of the production, cast, crew, and other staff (UB and otherwise) put into creating the new TV series that you seem so intent on spoiling right now.

Just some thoughts to mull over before you decide to continue disclosing every detail of the final conflict and drama of this show.

-hd.
LOL @ thinking that this will get big enough ratings to warrant such "unprofessional claims". The entire Season 1 never even got replayed after the first month, what makes you think this thing in its second year will have the potential to get a big enough share that FSN people will care? The spoilers weren't even bad. Disclosing how much of a big douche PH is? Shocker there!. Even last year, the fact that you and Sully Erna, players who are recognizable, got picked during the "faux" process on a reality poker show got picked for each team? It pretty much proves that the show, alot like the RNG, is obv a bit rigged (and I don't fault the folks at UB or at Fox, this also happens on alot of reality television shows, see: "Last Comic Standing" and the relationship between the shows producers who pick mostly comics from a certain agent, no matter if the amateurs ended up being funnier or not).

The show is a "filler"; especially during the beginning of November Sweeps season, as it will be aired in between baseball playoffs/football games where the male demographic like myself who, after watching the game or in between games, may be flicking the sports channels looking for something to watch, which is why this will be aired before the basketball and hockey seasons start (where FSN has most rights to those games).

Plus I think that this show (including FullTilt's "Learn From the Pros") were paid for by UB in an attempt to market their brand further and have people put money on their site again because they see, "UltimateBet". It's not part of the station's platform (remember the the WPT is on probationary pilot season there), like "The Real World" or Survivor", where contestants get paid a lump sum when they sign a contract BEFORE the show as an incentive to shut the fcuk up because if they do get spoiled, it hurts the network's bottom line.

And I'm sure the crew and production people don't mind if the guy spoils a few things; unlike folks in the poker/entertainment "career" field, they have the actual "work" to do, are usually unionized, and have most likely already gotten paid and are on to their next gigs like setting up lighting for a local night sports broadcast, or even those who do side freelance work as key grips for porn. The only time they usually do care is for those in the movie industry, because they make extra kickbacks when a movie they have worked on does well in the theaters as well on DVD sales.

I guess my point, no one will really care whether or not a poker reality show is spoiled.

      
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