Basic reasons why Dwan is losing the Durrrr challenge - Page 9 - Poker News

All the guys in the run it twice discussion have missed the main point. There are twice as many burn cards. The draw is more likely to hit. You are drawing to the same number of outs, but from a deck with less cards in it.

No, this is incorrect. First run through a flush draw has 9/45 and second time 9/43. If you add these together you get 18/88, which is ~20%. Running it twice almost halves your equity with a draw

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11-29-2010 , 12:25 PM

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blindedOut?

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Originally Posted by yarp

voted 1 star to balance my 1 star voting thread range

If you were more creative like durrrr with his overpairs you would mix in some 5 stars in your star value thread ranges so It wouldnt be so exploitable in easy to take advantage of it by triple ranging all your 5 star thread ranges.

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11-29-2010 , 01:38 PM

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guesswest

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Originally Posted by gav800

In regards to the run it twice arguement.... I think that it does favor drawing hands as it gives slightly -EV situations the chance to still split.

For example.... there was an AIPF in the last game durrrr had KK.... jungle had 99.

Jungleman was a reasonable chance to get one 9 from 10 cards rather than from 5 cards (which he got).... had they ran it once, Jungle is a significant underdog... but running it twice probably gives him a significantly higher split %

I think this is not a level? I can't tell anymore this thread has destroyed me.

This is wrong anyway. Running it twice does improve chance of splitting but it likewise reduces chances of scooping, equity is unchanged. Running it twice may still be desirable to reduce variance, god knows most people would want to in games that big, but equity is the same.

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Originally Posted by nezh

I guess the card removal effect might be slightly beneficial to the draw, as in having for example 9 out 44 the first River around with a naked flush draw versus having 9/42 the second time around. Not sure how that might impact the triple range merge though.

Same thing. Bricking the first run makes you more likely to hit the second one but hitting the first one makes you more likely to brick the second one, equity is the same.

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11-29-2010 , 01:40 PM

#204

guesswest

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Originally Posted by cashgomer

See that I can tell is a level.

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11-29-2010 , 01:51 PM

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cantloseon22

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I was triple range merging last night to great success in O8 sat, everyone called me an idiot, but they were just jealous.

A+ for the thread sir.

Last edited by cantloseon22; 11-29-2010 at 02:01 PM. Reason: Anyone think Nononoko was triple range merging with J5? Yes I went there.

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11-29-2010 , 01:52 PM

#206

Blackfortuna

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so much levels itt its sick

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11-29-2010 , 02:06 PM

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Allen C

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Originally Posted by rakemeplz

If they're triple merging their levelling range there's a 3.1415% chance they aren't even levelling at all.

Pi should be rounded, not truncated.

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11-29-2010 , 02:13 PM

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mikey09990

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so difficult to tell between those who are levelling and those who were dropped at birth

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11-29-2010 , 02:17 PM

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Tempestt Bledsoe

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That's very offensive. I was dropped at birth but I still know how to level on a forum

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11-29-2010 , 02:19 PM

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Psycho Boy Jack

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Originally Posted by Allen C

Pi should be rounded, not truncated.

here you have to double merge (sometimes triple) round pi
a double merged round is a trunk,

so pi must truncated.

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11-29-2010 , 02:26 PM

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icoNn

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wait, so how much is 470million in USD

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11-29-2010 , 02:31 PM

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ComEriJanMD

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11-29-2010 , 02:40 PM

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Tempestt Bledsoe

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So so so good

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11-29-2010 , 02:52 PM

#214

CrazyNL

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lol

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11-29-2010 , 02:53 PM

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Tempestt Bledsoe

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Can't stop watching it and laughing

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11-29-2010 , 03:04 PM

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ShipItToAJ

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Voted 9 star as it is triple my merged voting range.

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11-29-2010 , 03:14 PM

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funkyfood

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you guys are way off. OP simply made a typo. he meant triple MARGE ranges, i.e. playing the hand according to how Marge Simpson would play it the THIRD time she was dealt it, so it's not so transparent. i trust that this will clear things up so we can lock thread now pls.

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11-29-2010 , 03:57 PM

#218

Resistance

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Originally Posted by iseedeadmoney

Should read "Yo dawg I heard you like ranges so we put a range inside your range inside that range so you can triple merge while durrrrr runs it twice"

Spoiler:

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11-29-2010 , 04:43 PM

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badfilms

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i obviously forgot to double my spellcheck range.

Last edited by badfilms; 11-29-2010 at 04:50 PM.

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11-29-2010 , 04:46 PM

#220

funkyfood

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game over. badfilms is teh winnar

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11-29-2010 , 04:52 PM

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darqblue42

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Originally Posted by gav800

its when jungle does something because durrrr knows he would do something, so jungle does the opposite thing, but durrr knows this, so jungle does something else again, which durrr also know.... so just to make it confusing jungle does something else..... which basically means that neither player knows wtf is going on and variance is the end winner.

lol thx. sounds about right for this type of HU match. lol @ leveling^infinity xP

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11-29-2010 , 05:13 PM

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Randomness28

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1) I don't know for sure but I figure that jungleman is putting in much more prep time than durrrr is for the challenge as the money is more significant to jungle and also the glory for potential sponsorship deals.

2) It might be hard to immediately go back to playing elite A game versus elite opponent after playing fish for a month.

3) Lucky seats

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11-29-2010 , 05:21 PM

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maximose

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Originally Posted by SmokeyJ

No, this is incorrect. First run through a flush draw has 9/45 and second time 9/43. If you add these together you get 18/88, which is ~20%. Running it twice almost halves your equity with a draw

Wow, please ban yourself. It's like talking to 4th graders in this thread.