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Basic reasons why Dwan is losing the Durrrr challenge Basic reasons why Dwan is losing the Durrrr challenge

11-27-2010 , 07:47 PM
Hey all,

I dont post too often but I do have considerable poker knowledge that I would like to share in regards to the reasons why Durrrr is losing the Durrrr challenge.
I am a live and internet player so know both worlds and obviously you need to know the HU internet side game world to understand what is going on.

First off we know that Durrrr is very aggressive and bluff happy. This has worked in the past because he would get players to lay down hands in flip type situations and would win "ev" in a lot of spots. Whats happening in this particular match is something quite different. Jungleman is not willing to sacrifice his EV and will call light on certain board textures. This has caused lots of coin flips and even though Durrrr uses the run it twice feature (which helps drawing type hands) he still is slightly behind with his draws.

Another reason durrrr is losing is because he is not use to opponents range merging. Jungleman has continually double (and sometimes triple) range merged so Durrrr is basically clueless to his tendencies. This has caused Durrrr to beome even more "lag" against jungleman.

The last reason is more psychlogical. Durrrr is quickly becoming more enamored with the live scene and even won 470 million dollars (hong kong dollars) in a recent heads up side game. He no longer is as hungry to fend of these internet kids coming up. Durrrr is almost exactly like dewey tomko in the way of his poker theory but has a little bit of tj cloutier in the way of his lack of drive at the moment.

Anyway just wanted to share some views and hear some feedback

Cliffs: Reasons why durrrr is losing

1. He is no longer winning "ev" with his draw shoving technique.

2. He is being victimized by double (sometimes triple) range merges

3. Depite his Dewey Tomko like knowledge, he is adopting a tj cloutier type mindset.
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11-27-2010 , 07:50 PM
Variance

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11-27-2010 , 07:50 PM
Someone here does not understand variance. Try to spot him.
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11-27-2010 , 07:51 PM
OP unintentionally tries to level 2+2 but ends up leveling himself.
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11-27-2010 , 07:55 PM
TJ is a degen for pit games and constantly broke. Self proclaims himself as the best player without a ME title. I doubt his level of broke-ness is due to lack of desire. Dewey has money from oranges in Florida. Not sure how either of these examples make sense though.
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11-27-2010 , 07:57 PM
It's a well known fact that Durrrr quadruple range merges.

this thread is garbage.
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11-27-2010 , 07:57 PM
Because Tomko is known for his fundamental understanding of the game while TJ has natural talent but stopped committing himself after a certain period
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11-27-2010 , 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Bawookles
OP unintentionally tries to level 2+2 but ends up leveling himself.
very confused as to whos getting leveled at this stage..... after all OP does have both live and online experience!
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11-27-2010 , 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by The Three Alls
It's a well known fact that Durrrr quadruple range merges.

this thread is garbage.
Durrrr doesn't need to quadruple range merge anymore because he is printing the Donkey Kong dollars.
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11-27-2010 , 08:02 PM
You lost me at the Dewey Tomko comparison, and I wasn't exactly on board before that
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11-27-2010 , 08:04 PM
cometishians

Last edited by Psycho Boy Jack; 11-27-2010 at 08:27 PM.
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11-27-2010 , 08:07 PM
"Run it twice helps drawing type hands". Indeed OP, indeed. It's fascinating how many don't understand that RIT is just another small edge for those that knows how to use it. It's a lot better to run it two times when you shove 97 on 965 against AA for example, when you have 26% equity because you will win slightly more one in four! And since you run it twice, it's a bigger chance that you win the second time (26 vs 24)! If you'd only run it once, it's kinda obvious you would lose it 74% of the time.
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11-27-2010 , 08:08 PM
Funniest thread ever posted. The world of live poker (Dewey Tomko reference) meets the online world!!!!

This reminds me of the movie Billy Madison where Billy was doing that challenge and had to answer a question he knew nothing about. So he goes ranting about "the little puppy who lost his way". You've made this entire room a little more stupid with your answer!
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11-27-2010 , 08:09 PM
No money HU, everyone is triple range merging.
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11-27-2010 , 08:11 PM
please define double and triple range merge
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11-27-2010 , 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by tultfill
"Run it twice helps drawing type hands". Indeed OP, indeed. It's fascinating how many don't understand that RIT is just another small edge for those that knows how to use it. It's a lot better to run it two times when you shove 97 on 965 against AA for example, when you have 26% equity because you will win slightly more one in four! And since you run it twice, it's a bigger chance that you win the second time (26 vs 24)! If you'd only run it once, it's kinda obvious you would lose it 74% of the time.
Yep this is true, and if you run it 20 times, the 97 hand will win them all!
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11-27-2010 , 08:12 PM
TRIPLE RANGE MERGE
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11-27-2010 , 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by The Three Alls
It's a well known fact that Durrrr quadruple range merges.

this thread is garbage.

You sir are an idiot
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11-27-2010 , 08:17 PM
interesting OP. are you a successful poker player?
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11-27-2010 , 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by CBorders
TRIPLE RANGE MERGE
OP has to be commended for not only making a hilarious post, but for inventing much needed poker terminology.
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11-27-2010 , 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by maximose
You sir are an idiot
Too late, i triple merged my intelligence range.
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11-27-2010 , 08:20 PM
Wait, he didn't win 470 million dollars, did he?
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11-27-2010 , 08:20 PM
...

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Originally Posted by maximose
Yah ive been really bothered by this thinking for awhile. Online players may have ev calculators and readings on vpip etc. but they can't think about past action and maybe if a player is steamed up and bluffing. Or maybe someone has done a "range merge" now the net player is completely lost. players like tom dwan are losing because they are getting confused by double (sometime triple) range merges. All in all live players aren't so dependent on flimsy info.

Last edited by Psycho Boy Jack; 11-27-2010 at 08:26 PM.
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11-27-2010 , 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by CBorders
TRIPLE RANGE MERGE
this
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11-27-2010 , 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by maximose
Hey all,

I dont post too often but I do have considerable poker knowledge .
I dont post too often but I do have considerable poker knowledge

I dont post too often but I do have considerable poker knowledge


I dont post too often but I do have considerable poker knowledge


I dont post too often but I do have considerable poker knowledge

I dont post too often but I do have considerable poker knowledge
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