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05-07-2009 , 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by corsakh
Can all the politards and buffet wannabes stop arguing between yourselves for one second and say in plain secondary school English what is gong on, what are the chances of it coming through and where we can see the progress? No wonder **** this like this never gets done.
Sorry my friend, this is the world we live in. There is no "plain English" in this bill, nor in most of the statutes Congress has passed since WWII.

Here's the best I can do: this bill will allow licensed poker sites to service US customers. It also, however, allows for individual states to require licensed sites not to accept players from states that "opt out."

Also, this bill BY ITSELF creates no new taxes nor tax with-holding; it provides that US players will have legal recourse, civil and/or criminal, against cheaters and sites that don't pay; and it exempts any site with a license from the provisions of the UIGEA, thus allowing easy deposits and cash outs from those sites.

Skalllagrim
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05-07-2009 , 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Skallagrim
I like to think that myself and all the other attorneys employed by the sites and by iMega and such have got the upper hand here; but I would be delusional if I thought it was open and shut. It is indeed a highly likely possibility that an attorney on the other side will figure out the best argument for that side, but just in case they don't I am not going to post it. Not here, not anywhere.

As to our side's basic arguments, there is a lot out there. Google is your friend. You can find my basic arguments here, so thats a good place to start: http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/forum/55


You also might want to check out the legal briefs filed in various cases and collected at the PPA website (though you need to be a member to access this stuff): http://pokerplayersalliance.org/resources/legal/

Skallagrim

PS - the master sticky for the 2+2 Legislation Forum has a good bit of information too (disclosure: I helped write it).
Thank you Skallagrim, ive read a couple of the posts and it seems we agree. I guess i'll have to go to find law to find actual arguments as I view all lobbyists as speacial interest groups so I wont be able to access the PPA site. My contention is that the federal goverment should not be involved. I think they may even have their hands full with the international community regarding trade laws if they did pass legislation prohibiting on line poker. The several states...would be another matter. I am a strong states rights proponent.
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05-07-2009 , 12:29 AM
If it is passed that sites with a license are exempt from UIGEA, what are the chances some banks will still just block all gaming transactions as it is easier?
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05-07-2009 , 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by TheEngineer
You don't know my view. You came here and assumed we all thought UIGEA made online poker illegal when no one here thinks that.
Wrong again Mr Engineer.

1) Your views and your solicitation of your views are on every poker forum. including ready to send letters to legislators (for dumb people like myself who need to use a spell checker).

2) I did not assume eveyone thought UIGEA made online poker illegal.

We all know that it doen't. I would like to know what current federal law makes on line poker illegal.

I can appreciate your tenacity, however the methods you employ could use some work.

Remember the old Engineer motto: One track minds often lead to derailed trains of thought.
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05-07-2009 , 01:07 AM
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Originally Posted by P0tat0Cheeps
CNN has its blog on internet gambling up!! I urge all 2p2ers to go and comment there in a proper and thoughtful manner. Every now and then , they update what comments people have put and publish some of them on air. They already have done so once, unfortunately, haters were the first ones to comment. So much backup is required!!!

http://newsroom.blogs.cnn.com/


Also post on their twitter under the heading for internet gambling. Go Go Go!!!
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05-07-2009 , 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by BallBat
Wrong again Mr Engineer.

1) Your views and your solicitation of your views are on every poker forum. including ready to send letters to legislators (for dumb people like myself who need to use a spell checker).

2) I did not assume eveyone thought UIGEA made online poker illegal.

We all know that it doen't. I would like to know what current federal law makes on line poker illegal.

I can appreciate your tenacity, however the methods you employ could use some work.

Remember the old Engineer motto: One track minds often lead to derailed trains of thought.
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05-07-2009 , 02:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Skallagrim
Sorry my friend, this is the world we live in. There is no "plain English" in this bill, nor in most of the statutes Congress has passed since WWII.

Here's the best I can do: this bill will allow licensed poker sites to service US customers. It also, however, allows for individual states to require licensed sites not to accept players from states that "opt out."

Also, this bill BY ITSELF creates no new taxes nor tax with-holding; it provides that US players will have legal recourse, civil and/or criminal, against cheaters and sites that don't pay; and it exempts any site with a license from the provisions of the UIGEA, thus allowing easy deposits and cash outs from those sites.

Skalllagrim
Thank you sir, this is clear, concise and on point.

What about the realistic chances of this getting passed? Is it any close to at least 50/50? And how long are these hearings usually last for, when are we going to hear an answer?
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05-07-2009 , 03:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Skallagrim
Sorry my friend, this is the world we live in. There is no "plain English" in this bill, nor in most of the statutes Congress has passed since WWII.

Here's the best I can do: this bill will allow licensed poker sites to service US customers. It also, however, allows for individual states to require licensed sites not to accept players from states that "opt out."

Also, this bill BY ITSELF creates no new taxes nor tax with-holding; it provides that US players will have legal recourse, civil and/or criminal, against cheaters and sites that don't pay; and it exempts any site with a license from the provisions of the UIGEA, thus allowing easy deposits and cash outs from those sites.

Skalllagrim
It seems that states would not turn down more taxable revenue, but it seems more likely that they will just as easily say, "the internet is no casino reservation, and we do not want our citizens participating in such skullduggeric behavior." This rings especially true right now, since this only requires the governers signature.

I can see Leapfrogs concern, as states that currently took no interest in this issue previously, will jump onboard to illegalize something they once took something of a passing interest too. Is it not the case that once a state opts-out, it becomes officially illegal in that state?

This seems much more powerful than the UIGEA, because with this bill the government will actually get its hands into some taxable regulations, which will cause them to take much more notice of its enforcement.

IMO, the opt-out option should say something to the effect that the activity that is being opted-out of, then does not become illegal in that state, with no other legislation.

Really, even if this bill passes, how much will it boost the games? I think the decline in fish is a direct result in the decline of credit cards acceptance on the sites+neteller, not the idea that it is illegal, and a simple repeal of the UIGEA would be just fine, though I guess that isn't reasonable.
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05-07-2009 , 03:29 AM
won't it reduce rake via increased competition?
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