Come on, blood is blood. The right and wrong of it doesn't really matter.

This might just be the stupidest post I have ever seen.

IIRC he was banned, then "allowed back", but for some reason didn't feel like posting here anymore.

and why would brandon request to be banned?

Mat, thanks for being so forthcoming, this can't be an easy spot for you. Good luck with sorting this whole farting mess out.

i believe paul was banned.

2+2's position on having standards for quality is not inexplicable. it's the reason that when a 2+2 book hits the shelves u KNOW that it's probably worth a read, where u cannot say that about any other poker books without researching consensus opinion.
[e.g. nobody would have assumed that the Full Tilt strategy guide was anything but a dishrag until a bunch of ppl read it and said it was good; if it was published by 2+2, everyone probably would have assumed that without waiting to hear opinion.]

i think a lot of 2+2ers such as myself would not like to see this place degenerate into NWP and this, like it or not, is a necessary first step. [altho im guessing there are a ton of ppl who'd be happy to have 2+2 become NWP, which is sad]

Paul, however, should never have been banned. mason was looking to get rid of him, and this should never have been his mentality. when u have someone as great and intelligent as paul as a member of your site, you try and work out differences and establish compromise. u dont run him off the site cuz he's threatening your ego.
the paul phillips situation was the most disappointing thing i've ever seen on this site.

For real, I about threw up my lunch.


Anyway, who cares about Dan being banned? Anybody who twirls and waves a seat cushion on national television deserves no sympathy.

You don't have a god given right to post here, and it sure as hell isn't in the bill of rights. Posting here is a privilege, and Mason has all the authority to decide who gets this privilege and who doesn't.

The whole Brandi saga was filthy and disgusting, and I for one am ecstatic it's never coming back. The first thread with Captain Tom was a riot I'll admit, but each thread after that became increasingly stale, boring, and degenerate. It was sad to see Mark, a person who many people here regarded as a good guy, get taken down by all these losers and thiefs. Some of his recent posts have been just as rotten as anyone else, it's sad.

The biggest problem for me is that fact it appears DS is still around. After his last post on this matter, which was vile and disgusting, I cannot believe he is still allowed to post here. He seems to be the biggest instigator here and is more guilty of bad behavior than anyone.

Good riddance to all in my opinion. Brandi threads jumped the shark months ago and some people are just too lame to let it go.

IIRC, Paul made some comment about how ban happy 2+2 is (perhaps this has been an ongoing issue?!?) and something about the ******ed interface. Mason deleted the post and emailed PP demanding both a private and public apology. PP responded with a post that included something about the Hitler Youth and Mason permabanned him, but it was pointless since PP was done with the forums once they deleted his post.

DS is a weirdo.

why the **** WASNT I INFORMED

So you can get banned here for what you post on other sites? really??? Druff is a good poster. Did he actually do anything on 2p2? Did newhizzle do anything to get banned besides ask questions?

ZAZZZ

DS may not be "off Mason's hook", but until he is banned and his association with the publishing arm curtailed, thoughtful people will note the inconsistency.

I'm with someone else who posted above (sorry, I forget who): not liking my 2p2 books as well as I used to. They still contain the information they contain, but reading them just doesn't make me feel good.

ok, this sound rite.

Winner!!!...

...of a contest you didn't want to win.

Have to agree that this site went into the ****ter and NVG was straight out of the NWP forums for pure NSFW threads.

Most of that was from DS starting them. DS needs to be given a ban of some sort from this site if you are going to be banning other people because of the nonsense his threads have started. Obviously crazy threads from this site will spill over into the rest of the internetz since this site is such a leader in the industry. Nice try at censoring those other sites by banning people on this site.

I am also in the same boat with those who frown at the 2+2 books, especially with DS involved in a particular book. Said this a while ago with how he was acting in regards to Brandi. I won't ever buy another book of his. I am even sure that if some of the people with major retail outlets for books heard how bat**** crazy DS is they might even reconsider carrying any books linked to him. I know damn well the major company I am with would strongly consider dropping his books if we still carried them based on his personal/ now public life.

I just checked out this said unspeakable website; its the nuts.

Hey, 2+2 publishes the best books, particularly by Sklansky, and 2+2 is the best poker discussion site.

I agree that Sklansky has shown some poor judgement in some of his posts, particularly about Brandi and other young women.

That certainly isn't going to keep me from reading 2+2 or Sklansky books.

It is not nearly as good as it was 2-3 years ago. There is so much noise here now, and other sites without the extraneous BS are popping up. It is only a matter of time before they take over.

I guess I should clarify. My response was an answer to the poster who asked why "People actually care that some douche got banned from a poker forum".

The reason someone would care, is because of the slippery slope you find yourself on when you ban someone from your site because of something they've done away from the site or because of the people with whom they associate.

For the record, I think micon is despicable.

For the record, I realize this is Mason's site and he can do as he pleases.

For the record, banning Druff because he's associated with micon or he's badmouthing 2+2 somewhere else, is stepping foot on that slippery slope.

No kidding. 2p2 got tons of extra hits (-> monies) because of Druff's work.

Just curious, what was this guy?

Friedrich Gustav Emil Martin Niemöller (January 14, 1892 – March 6, 1984) was a prominent German anti-Nazi theologian[1] and Lutheran pastor. He is best known as the author of the poem First they came....

Although he was a national conservative and initially a supporter of Adolf Hitler,[2] he became one of the founders of the Confessing Church, which opposed the nazification of German Protestant churches.

Despite his own antisemitic attitudes,[3] he vehemently opposed the Nazis' Aryan Paragraph.[4] For his opposition to the Nazi's state control of the churches, Niemöller was imprisoned in Sachsenhausen and Dachau concentration camps from 1937 to 1945.[5][6]

He narrowly escaped execution and survived imprisonment.[7] After his imprisonment, he expressed his deep regret about not having done enough to help the victims of the Nazis.[4]

He turned away from his earlier antisemitic and nationalistic beliefs and was one of the initiators of the Stuttgart Declaration of Guilt.[4] Since the 1950s, he was a vocal pacifist and anti-war activist, [7] and vice-chair of War Resisters' International from 1966 to 1972. [8] He met with Ho Chi Minh during the Vietnam War and was a committed campaigner for nuclear disarmament.[7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Niem%C3%B6ller

I guess you've never posted on pocket 5s.

Ah, Druff only started encouraging trolling AFTER you banned him here for no reason.

First you banned him for being associated with NWP. Now you say he is banned for encouraging trolling. Please try and get your lies straight.

(cue Mason a few posts down saying 2+2 has high ethical standards while mat sklansky's lie appears in red -- good stuff)