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05-13-2022 , 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by pokerfan655
A couple of points

-no such thing as a soft high stakes game today
-if you're a poker player and putting down a lot on a house will hurt your income, of course you don't do it.
-you should be able to make the same or more money at a lower stake on your own dime

Backed players that actually make say 200k+/yr are unicorns - most are in heavy makeup, broke, living alone in a small condo in a 3rd world country. It's next to impossible to make any significant money while being backed - you split half your profit with your backer, you then give a piece to the government, you then subtract living expenses - what are you left with?
Lol, you legitimately know nothing about poker. Every decent sized city has a private game based around local whales, often millionaires or billionaires who will drop tens of thousands or more per night. They will be raising blind, playing PLO never having bothered to learn you have to use both cards etc.
These games are *very* soft.

I live in a smaller Canadian city and playing with the millionaires/billionaires here is insane, I couldn't imagine the action in Cali, Texas, NYC etc for private games.
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05-13-2022 , 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerEthics
Generally agree..

But what if when you signed up part of the tos states you are not backed or swapping or else you face forfeiture of prizes.

Similar to what they did w Covid.

Would still be hard to enforce but could act as a deterrent.

The general consensus in poker w 2p2 and pocket 5s is that it’s completely ok. I think part of the solution is to get the majority of poker players to over turn this..

I mean cmon recs aren’t getting stakes it’s mostly pros. So the majority of players should be opposed to staking.

Obviously on this site you are going to have more people generally ok w staking. But the avg Rec should be opposed to their competition having this available.

This could level the playing field and make games better.

Not sure what you can do with cash.. besides just get people wanting to close down marketplaces and websites that offer staking.
Dumb, why should recs be playing in the WSOP but not backed pros. It's the most "prestigious" event in poker.
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05-13-2022 , 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
Lol, you legitimately know nothing about poker. Every decent sized city has a private game based around local whales, often millionaires or billionaires who will drop tens of thousands or more per night. They will be raising blind, playing PLO never having bothered to learn you have to use both cards etc.
These games are *very* soft.

I live in a smaller Canadian city and playing with the millionaires/billionaires here is insane, I couldn't imagine the action in Cali, Texas, NYC etc for private games.
You live in a smaller Canadian city and play live poker there with billionaires (plural in fact}?

Hmmm, sure ya do, yup, okay ..... good for you.
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05-13-2022 , 10:57 PM
Well google says their are 46 billionaires in Canada and 1.6 million millionaires. So yeah, good for him.
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05-13-2022 , 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by jjjou812
Dumb, why should recs be playing in the WSOP but not backed pros. It's the most "prestigious" event in poker.
How can it even be considered “prestigious” if a significant portion of the field didn’t even pay for their own buy in/don’t have 100% of themselves?
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05-13-2022 , 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerEthics
How can it even be considered “prestigious” if a significant portion of the field didn’t even pay for their own buy in/don’t have 100% of themselves?
Why would you care it someone had 1% or 100% of themselves? Why would you care how they obtained their money? Is a blue collar job paying for a buyin different than a crypto bro different from a pro being staked? No, it is not.
Chris Moneymaker only had half of himself, the horror in the biggest event of the poker boom!

Gzesh, maybe you're used to right wing boards or something, but in 2022, decent people aren't bragging about having to be in the same room with a billionaire, even if they are donating. The guy I'm talking to has been arrested for sex trafficking! It wasn't a brag!
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05-14-2022 , 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Maximus122
Calling poker backers dumb would be paying them a compliment. They are complete morons.

If someone is a winning player the can start at 2 No Limit online multi table the shi t out of it and build up a bankroll relatively quickly.

So only bad losing players seek backers.
this would be true if they didn't have families/rent/groceries and other financial obligations that prevented them from being able to spend time grinding very small amounts

if your monthly nut is 2k then you can't just say "f it, i'll just grind $2 sngs until i rebuild my roll" in the meantime you get buried in real life finances

in my poker days i was fairly successful in terms of dollars won, but i was constantly broke because i was in my early 20s and would ust say f it and go traveling, upgrade my living situation, or pay off my student loans each time i had a good month

a number of times took shots at nosebleed games with basically my entire liferoll sitting in front of me on the felt

i got lucky, it always worked out, had it not worked out (which could have easily happened) then i would have seeked a stake, frankly, looking back, i wish i was playing on a stake back then because i'd have faced much less stress wondering how i'd pay rent next week each time i played a big pot

it's incredibly common for very good players to be in not so good financial situations and they seek a stake

however, it is true that bad players and scammers also seek stakes so it's all about doing due diligence to ensure you're staking someone you trust in a controlled manner so losses are capped if he scams

i've made some decent pocket change staking, and this is including someone who i'm pretty sure has scammed me in my totals and of course you have a lot stables etc etc so there's obviously a way to stake profitably even including the risk of getting scammed as a part of the business
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05-14-2022 , 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
Why would you care it someone had 1% or 100% of themselves? Why would you care how they obtained their money? Is a blue collar job paying for a buyin different than a crypto bro different from a pro being staked? No, it is not.
Chris Moneymaker only had half of himself, the horror in the biggest event of the poker boom!
Meh.. it’s not so much I care how they obtained the money.

It’s more about the purest form of poker involving a level playing field like in a true freezeout tournament where everyone has 1 bullet and the same risk for ruin.

Mtts are so watered down now and aren’t actually technically tournaments anymore w rebuys and add on etc. It’s more of a hybrid style game. In a true tournament it’s one and done like March madness and that’s what makes it great the fact everyone has 1 out and fear of being knocked out.

Not having 100% of yourself alleviates this risk for my competition.

Remember before late reg existed in some tournaments if you bought a stack and showed up late you would get blinded out and that was standard. It also gave no advantage to late reg. This was a way to keep a level playing field.
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05-14-2022 , 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
Why would you care it someone had 1% or 100% of themselves? Why would you care how they obtained their money? Is a blue collar job paying for a buyin different than a crypto bro different from a pro being staked? No, it is not.
Chris Moneymaker only had half of himself, the horror in the biggest event of the poker boom!

Gzesh, maybe you're used to right wing boards or something, but in 2022, decent people aren't bragging about having to be in the same room with a billionaire, even if they are donating. The guy I'm talking to has been arrested for sex trafficking! It wasn't a brag!
Enough with the bragging buddy.

I've got news for you: nobody cares
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05-14-2022 , 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
Lol, you legitimately know nothing about poker. Every decent sized city has a private game based around local whales, often millionaires or billionaires who will drop tens of thousands or more per night. They will be raising blind, playing PLO never having bothered to learn you have to use both cards etc.
These games are *very* soft.

I live in a smaller Canadian city and playing with the millionaires/billionaires here is insane, I couldn't imagine the action in Cali, Texas, NYC etc for private games.
I know what you mean. I live in a small village in ghana and the action here is crazy. Never seen so many billionaires donating. Off the hook.
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05-14-2022 , 11:41 AM
There's no soft high stakes games in some random Ghanaian village therefore there are no soft high stakes games in the world.
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05-14-2022 , 01:18 PM
you're wrong, he said that the action was crazy in the small village of ghana, therefore there are soft high stakes game everywhere in the world
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05-14-2022 , 02:19 PM
You definitely don't need to be rich to stake and you don't need to be broke to seek a stake.

Ask me how I know.
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05-14-2022 , 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
Lol, you legitimately know nothing about poker. Every decent sized city has a private game based around local whales, often millionaires or billionaires who will drop tens of thousands or more per night. They will be raising blind, playing PLO never having bothered to learn you have to use both cards etc.
These games are *very* soft.

I live in a smaller Canadian city and playing with the millionaires/billionaires here is insane, I couldn't imagine the action in Cali, Texas, NYC etc for private games.
Come on you have 25,000 posts? Learn quality over quantity my friend.
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05-14-2022 , 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by happy to be hear
You definitely don't need to be rich to stake and you don't need to be broke to seek a stake.

Ask me how I know.
There’s 4 different types of poker players

Rich guy needs stakes loose passive
Rich guy gives stakes loose agressive
Poor guy needs stakes tight passive
Poor guy gives stakes tight agressive

The optimal line in poker is to be poor and give stakes or a tag
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05-14-2022 , 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Kanedog11
If 95% of poker players are overall losers, why do backers back people?

To give back for all their sins
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05-15-2022 , 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted by demetri1978
To give back for all their sins
That’s funny!
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05-16-2022 , 01:42 AM
whats a smaller canadian city to you? im in a 56k city and I cant find a game in 10+ years but im sure its all about connections. but ya I both made a staker like 5k and staked someone who made me 5k this month yall tripping all about dat leverage
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05-16-2022 , 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by MoViN.tArGeT
whats a smaller canadian city to you? im in a 56k city and I cant find a game in 10+ years but im sure its all about connections. but ya I both made a staker like 5k and staked someone who made me 5k this month yall tripping all about dat leverage
ya I think that poster is full of ****.
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05-16-2022 , 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by pokerfan655
ya I think that poster is full of ****.
And this is why NVG is dead and most threads in PGC are of dudes trying to beat NL2.

I'd say a decent sized city is 250k+, most people are obviously within driving distance of such.

Every city of that size has at least a few chiropractors, car salesman or whatever who make well into the six figures and love gambling if you're not into business owners who are making 7 figures.

If you're a pro and can't get into soft games, I don't know what to tell you. Your personal skills suck, at best. You were actually dumb enough to say "soft high stakes games don't exist." That should clue you into their skill level and overall knowledge of the poker landscape.

I find it weird the one poster complains about rebuys these days, when in the 00s there were as many rebuy tournaments as freezeouts. Bounty tournaments weren't a thing yet. In the 00s stars had multiple $3 rebuy tournaments a day that would award ~$30,000 to first place! Every local casino daily/nightly was most likely a rebuy tournament, with the period up until the first break being the equivalent of a hyper turbo. That's what tournaments largely were until what, 2013 or so?

Last edited by aoFrantic; 05-16-2022 at 11:06 PM.
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05-16-2022 , 10:55 PM
Is it true? Are y'all trippin?
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05-16-2022 , 11:04 PM
you guys realize 10% of American households have a net worth over a million dollars

like ao said, any region of at least a few hundred thousand is going to have a fairly large population of people with a lot of disposable income and a decent chunk of that venn diagram is going to be some people with some gambool in them

when i was younger and considering pursuing a film career, i'd often hear that x indie film was financed by the filmmaker's dentist and it was widely known that most dentists are high networth individuals and often decide to finance things like making films - some dentists go on fancy vacations or buy expensive cars, other finance films, some donk it up at 10/25

most people who own businesses are all worth millions, even the head person at your local post office makes 6 figures a year

you guys not knowing about the existence of a game doesn't mean your area couldn't support one nor that they don't exist
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05-16-2022 , 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
you guys realize 10% of American households have a net worth over a million dollars

like ao said, any region of at least a few hundred thousand is going to have a fairly large population of people with a lot of disposable income and a decent chunk of that venn diagram is going to be some people with some gambool in them

when i was younger and considering pursuing a film career, i'd often hear that x indie film was financed by the filmmaker's dentist and it was widely known that most dentists are high networth individuals and often decide to finance things like making films - some dentists go on fancy vacations or buy expensive cars, other finance films, some donk it up at 10/25

most people who own businesses are all worth millions, even the head person at your local post office makes 6 figures a year

you guys not knowing about the existence of a game doesn't mean your area couldn't support one nor that they don't exist
I think it was the billionaires in the middle of nowhere comment that people called bullshit on
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05-16-2022 , 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
you guys realize 10% of American households have a net worth over a million dollars

like ao said, any region of at least a few hundred thousand is going to have a fairly large population of people with a lot of disposable income and a decent chunk of that venn diagram is going to be some people with some gambool in them

when i was younger and considering pursuing a film career, i'd often hear that x indie film was financed by the filmmaker's dentist and it was widely known that most dentists are high networth individuals and often decide to finance things like making films - some dentists go on fancy vacations or buy expensive cars, other finance films, some donk it up at 10/25

most people who own businesses are all worth millions, even the head person at your local post office makes 6 figures a year

you guys not knowing about the existence of a game doesn't mean your area couldn't support one nor that they don't exist
If I was inventing home games I'd say a pro athlete or someone cool, not a guy currently in federal prison for sex trafficking minors.

Like, there is only one person in the world who fits this description! It was a big story covered by the NYT, CNN etc but these people have *zero* intellectual curiosity.
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05-17-2022 , 04:28 AM
yes
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