Mod note: The trolling (or whatever all this stuff is) stops now. Take your complaints to the moderation thread.

Hey, I resent the implication in your post. I am the resident "idiot" hereabouts and have a lot of sweat equity invested in acquiring and maintaining that title.

OK, back to the news that started the thread, looking for solutions, and don't call anyone besides Gzesh an idiot please.

How do cardrooms protect the players if:

a. Armed security is not the answer
b. Players protecting themselves with a firearm isn't palatable.
c. Cops aren't around, maybe the cardroom could offer free donuts to keep them interested in patrolling the parking lot.

I'll go first.

Solution #1. The cardroom can issue me a check to deposit into my bank account instead of cash for my winnings. I will write 'for deposit only' on the back right away. My wallet will only have my driver's license, one credit card and $48 in cash in it so if I'm robbed he won't be too pissed. My phone is locked and insured.

Flame away.

10K cash out should NOT get a W2G. If I were given one, I would be contracting IRS with a formal protest. W2G comes with a tax liability even if you can offset with deductions. Specifically it would indicate $10K+ of income I must report.

What would be required is for Prime to file a CTR report including my personal tax ID information. CTRs are very different from W2s. For one thing they give YOU the W2. They file the CTR with the govt. You do not get anything.

The point of my mini rant is now I don’t know if your statement about tournament winnings and W2s is accurate. Because of the clear error on cash games, your veracity on tournaments and how Prime handles them.

Since this is TX, the loop hole operation of these rooms clouds these issues also. How the room structures the specifics tournaments might mean they issue 1099s vs W2s. There are I suspect at least the larger more professional rooms have consulted folks and handle these issues correctly in the IRSs eyes. But that is purely a guess.

There has to be some kind of reasonable fintech solution if the games are not technically illegal. I have limited experience with the whole cashapp, venmo, playgo space but there has to be one that can keep those places mostly cashless.

I did not ask what the dept or “cops” get. Yes the dept keeps the money. But the officer doesn’t. So why is the officer going to participate in an illicit operation on his own?

As I said, he might get some nice internal feedback and dept goodwill AT FIRST but the second or third time when the dept gets a black eye and has to return the $s all of that will swing to 10x negative. There is not incentive for the officer to participate in such a scam.

In the big cities in Texas, I'd say only a small percentage carry guns. Houston probably has more people carrying than Dallas, and obviously Austin has the lowest percentage carrying.

Poker grinders in Texas (particularly Houston) are prime targets to be robbed. Many are very young and naive, either college age or a bit older. A large percentage are Euros, so they aren't going to have a gun, but perhaps they should consider it. Anyone can carry a gun in Texas now (except felons, which means the sex offender pros are bigger targets).

That being said I would guess that a lot of rooms don't allow guns on their premises.

And this has what to do civil forfeiture?

Yes some cops are bad and steal. But as in your article, not hard to catch. Also for out right stealing, it wo7ld not need to be a cop.

Seems impossible to have a firm opinion on this without more details being made available.

Haha, good stuff!

Unless you're frequenting in illegal activities, and specific ones at that, I can't imagine any scenario where this isn't a pretty exaggerated viewpoint. Not arguing your right to carry this stuff, just the danger attitude. A little awareness decreases the crime stats in even the worse areas by an incredible amount. I'm just a little curious to hear you expand here, like where do the knuckles come into play? What scenario are those being used?

I would think knuckles would be one of the most useful tools out of those listed for dealing with an attack of non deadly force.

I carry a fish bat, but that's more for animals. Knucks would be better vs humans I would think. I should go get some, thanks

I mean they're in the truck door though he said. Someone comes up to your vehicle, you just drive off. If you're outside of your vehicle, it doesn't seem likely you can get to them in a situation where a physical threat is happening. If they're in your pocket and you carry huge amounts of cash by foot and there are a lot of homeless types around, then I kind of understand, but there seems to be pretty easy ways to avoid putting yourself in that situation in the first place.

Who wants to live where just leaving your house you need to take 6 weapons, some of which are likely illegal? For what you spent a4ming yourself you could move somewhere safer.

the town I live in has a very high crime rate, not too far from the Mexico border and my job takes me out 24/7 alone in some of the worst areas of the city, county and boondocks that the cops and border patrol won't even go by themselves.

The homeless, druggies, crazies, giant pit bulls and just regular pissed off members of the public are on us all the time. Was up in a cherry picker type of truck late one night dealing with a structure fire by the bus station, nice area, when a random girl got in the cab and tried to drive off with me up in the bucket. Luckily the outriggers were down and stopped the truck from moving. When I asked a cop for help with her he looked at me like I was a big wussy.

The type of construction work I do is hard on the hands so having good gloves on saves a lot of nicks, cuts and possible infections. If I do have to change a tire or help someone broken down I like to cover my hands. Plus its well over 110 degrees here in the summer and everything you pick up is flaming hot. When riding a motorcycle gloves are a necessity if you're smart, I've seen peoples hands when they have hit the asphalt at 60 mph, not pretty.

If I do have to defend myself the protective knuckles are added protection and may make my weak ass old man punches a little more effective.

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Your takes are dangerous and ridiculous. But I'm sure you already know that.

a lot of people want to live here and nothing mentioned is illegal. It's like carrying a spare tire, tool kit, extra blanket, food and water in your car, you probably won't need it but if you do it could save your life.

I couldn't imagine living so fearfully. I live just off of 8 Mile Rd in Detroit and I don't carry a gun, let alone some huge arming ritual before leaving the house.

I’d imagine the majority of those that didn’t have them when they needed them think differently. Except those no longer with us. I see nothing wrong with having some type of protection. Especially for easy targets like women. It’s just a personal choice and nothing wrong with it.

If I'm in a card room thats getting robbed, I dont want a security guard or any NRA members to try any hero business and lets just get robbed and go home alive. I'm not anti guns, guns can help in certain situations but they also make a lot of situations much much worse. Bullets can ricochet and can travel through multiple people, its not worth having a shootout in a crowded room. Lots of gun fever itt. Still hot.

Uhh, mods? Can we get people like this jcorb guy to stop spamming incoherent nonsense in threads?

True but that is one I was thinking. Also, he claims to not live in TX.

Some protection yes. But not what started this tangent. IMO

Prime gave a w2g for a tournament cash over 5k but less then 10k. All the Texas rooms have posted at cash out they require paperwork for cash outs over 10k and player card for cash outs over 5k so it’s probably a w9 @ 10k to file a CTR and at 5k they check you didn’t have other cash outs that make it total over 10k in 24hrs (structuring). Justin hammer is tournament director at prime i think you can clarify with him if you’d like.

I had originally written tournaments because that what he claimed and changed it to cashes over 10k as well cause he was probably just going to argue that after. Point is if you have large amounts of cash leaving a club and worried about civil forfeiture there’s a system in place that ensures it’s recorded when the income came from so you’d be able to retrieve it from the government pretty easily probably wouldn’t even need a lawyer which is the real issue with civil forfeiture… the cost of a lawyer to get it back can’t get recouped because they return the money before trial a couple years later if they think you’ll win.

1and 2 have nothing to do with robbing room.
3 has plenty of liability issues
4 can only really call for armed support, I.e. police
5 really sho7ld not be an option. The room should not allow this unless the room is also checking who has capability and temperament to do this. Frankly, they can’t afford the associated liability if they don’t take reasonable steps to try reign in such patrons.

This leaves 3 or 4 for the room to pick and 6 or 7 (choose not to go there) for the player to pick. Of course same applies to thousands of other locations. Just that poker rooms the cash is in plain site.

Yes, JFC. Stop posting that stuff. Posts will be/have been deleted.

Temp-ban is next.

These places can't have parking lots that are unattended. That's such a bad idea. If you have a parking lot at a casino, you need 24/7, highly visible security stationed there. Doesn't matter if it's a booth a guy sits in. You need the entrance/exits to look clearly monitored (cameras that are clearly visible as well) just as a deterrent. A visible deterrent is all you need, and if the tax laws on gambling weren't so anti-player and the games weren't vaguely illegal/off the books, people could just utilize the apps or have accounts with the room that would make these games cashless. Once people are already hanging out in the parking lot waiting, there is nothing you can do. Security isn't going to have a gun battle or a knifefight over some random guys money just because he walks them to the car. Secure the area beforehand, or you do wind up with regular citizens feeling like they have to arm themselves, which is bad simply because it creates a tenser environment for everyone.

For people in the thread giving jcorb a hard time, nobody wants a guy to have to carry a Batman level of weapons around, but sketchy areas without police presence can wear on your over time, and everything you see happen to someone else counts in your "is this place safe" logs as much as the things that happen to you. There are low level criminals and desperate people around who are constantly testing the limits like seagulls stealing french fries, especially if you don't seem like you belong there or are a target. It's not the right answer (the right answer is for the club to run itself like a professional business) but it is often a reality that people feel vulnerable and the "just don't go there" isn't always possible.