I was just going to post that.

There are two sides to every coin though. Working with local law enforcement can be a great tool to target Euros and other pros from out of state.

Exactly. Anyone who brings in large amounts of money to these cardrooms in Texas should have their heads examined because trying to take it out is the real problem. From setups from crooked staff to robberies to obv lax security. Way too many risks.

Still a strawman. I did not say it could not happen. I pointed out that that cop buddy is not incentivized to participate. He doesn’t get the money. In fact, in your scenario, it is more likely to cost him financially than benefit him. Even if he gets raves the first time, the second or third time he pulls this and the victim completely embarrasses the dept and costs them money, that rave will immediately change.

CF laws suck. IANAL but question if they are even proper. But if they were abused as Willy nilly and as often as you like to imply, they wi7ld be fixed. Yes abuses happen and that needs to stop, but if it happen as easy and often as you imply it would not be a man bites dog story.

Do these cardrooms not report large winnings to the IRS and give you a W2G, particularly tournaments? Idk I havent played them.

If you have a federal document showing that you legally acquired the money and will be paying taxes on it, then even if an ******* cop decides to confiscate, then you go to the station and show the W2 and get it back.


I tend to agree with you for cash games though. I would never bring more than a couple grand to play at a place like this.

I honestly don't know what these cardrooms in Texas do when it comes to big tournament winnings and W2's. But for me at least I would still be worried as hell walking out the door with a bundle of cash, leaving an unregulated cardroom like this place.

But definitely for the cash games agree 100% No way I would bring more than probably $1000 if I would even consider playing there which I moat likely wouldn't.

I've heard all the rooms in Texas review-slander one another in an effort to drive business away from competitors. This looks an awful lot like one of those posts

roaches, ants, rats and other vermin are attracted by a food source. Human vermin are attracted by cash, it's a fact of life and if you can't keep it, you can't have it. We need to find a solution and part of that is we organize and find ways to watch out for each other.


“At the banquet table of nature, there are no reserved seats. You get what you can take, and you keep what you can hold. If you can't take anything, you won't get anything, and if you can't hold anything, you won't keep anything. And you can't take anything without organization.” -- A. Philip Randolph

Prime social like the only one that does tournaments regularly and Houston and they give w2gs. Cash outs over 10k in a 24hr period require w2gs as well.

These places still abide my money transmitter laws so they act in the same way a casino would in these situations or feds would shut them down.

I live here in Houston. There are no nicer areas of Houston where one could reasonably expect such things to never happen. Not anymore. The 9000 blocks of Richmond Avenue aren't part of those nicer areas in any event. There already have been several late night murders in that area, mainly from the after-hours crowd.

But when a group of friends can't dine on Saturday afternoon at an outdoor cafe at Westheimer and 610 (across the intersection from the Galleria Mall---one of the nicer areas), without getting robbed, and one of their number killed, (https://www.houstonchronicle.com/new...e-16403970.php)

....I wouldn't expect things to be better at night along that part of Richmond Avenue.

As to the security requirements, installing mantraps, and having police for the security detail, might be a prudent start.

Sick straw man bro. Learn to read.

What would then be the reason to carry a gun?

I think most carry for personal protection, rather than with the purpose of protecting a business they frequent. However, if someone did carry a gun with the purpose of protecting the poker room they were playing at, then I would hope they would wait for a clear shot..ie nobody right near the perp, nobody behind the perp, nobody in front of the perp.

In this instance the security guard was tackling the perp, so I would expect that shooting would generally put the security guard's life at risk.

Also, this was at night so Texas Penal Code 9.42 applies and one could lawfully shoot the perp in the back of the head as he flees with the cash.

Surprised more of these places haven’t been robbed. Especially in Houston based on their current crime issues.

I read just fine. Houston's a $hithole. The 9000 block of Richmond is dangerous. Google the Hookah Bar driveby, (and it may be -bys) if you don't believe me. Is it Sunnyside, or the Belt at 59? No. Is it a place where I would keep my head on a swivel, and ask the card room for options that were better than walking in/out with a lot of currency? Absolutely.

It's not safe at all. It's not safe at night there, and the multitude of card clubs along that patch of Westheimer and Richmond need to think of better solutions than, "Let's tackle the rifle-armed bad guy." to protect their patrons.

That said, the (non-firearms related) action in these clubs, as related by our own forum posters, looks phenomenal.

Google straw man. You're just saying random things that no one said and then arguing against them.

No need to rob an establishment that has armed security when you can just rob the players after they leave.

Here's another review of this place made today. Seems very legit as the person describes lots of specific problems. Place seems like a totally unsafe dangerous dump to me. Can Houston really not do better?


"Not Coming Back Until Security is Vastly Improved


I've never felt safe playing at Legends.

Security has been absolute crap at Legends since opening day. It's been a mark waiting to happen and it still is. It's so obvious how poor security has been / is at Legends.

Everybody got extremely lucky on Sunday night. There could have easily been 2-10 people leaving in body bags.

Other issues:

- Valet leaves way too early (1:00-1:30 am) and leaves my car parked waaaay in the back. Sometimes I am accosted by homeless people while looking for my car. I park valet for security purposes and end up searching for my car in a parking lot with no security patrol at the end of the night. That's BS.

- Management / Dealers are not in control of the game. It's pretty much a free-for-all anything goes atmosphere. Get ready for plenty of angles and foreign languages spoken at the table. Management is absolutely garbage, it's obvious they don't care. If there is any sort of policy, there is literally zero policy enforcement.

- Worst venue ever. It's tiny and cramped. The patio is way too small. The bathroom is way too small. The paint job is gross. The whole room is getting pretty nasty.

- Food prices just went up AND they reduced the portion sizes. I used to get a full plate of fried rice, now I get a 1/2 a plate and the other 1/2 is decorated with useless garnish. Who wants tomato and lettuce with their fried rice? Wtf is that all about?

I seriously hope all the action switches back to the old 88 venue (now 101). New management at 101 takes security seriously the same way 88 did. 101 still has all of the same legit security dudes. 3 patrolling the parking lot, 1 at the door, and 1 inside.

I love the action at Legends but it is not worth my life. I will not return to Legends unless the issues I mentioned have been addressed. Management must show that they are serious about providing a safe environment for players.

I left late in the early morning several times. Never was security not present in accompanying me to my car. Never felt unsafe in the lot.

the thing is security in all of these places is likely going to be a joke if push comes to shove. this place just happened to get exposed.

If you're doing that, you might as well take a page out of Brad Williams' playbook:

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that is good info, forgot all about muggers wanting your phone. I have an old burner phone from Walmart that's dead, don't know if I can load genitalia pics on it.

Here in SW USA nearly everyone has a gun, Texas should be the same. Whenever I leave the house now my equipment check goes like this: wallet, phone, keys, glasses, hat, light jacket, chapstick, bandana, kevlar gloves with carbon fiber knuckles (put in the truck door pocket), 2 shot derringer in pocket, Glock 19 in concealed carry holster, Spyderco knife, back up knife, pepper spray, fake wallet, fake phone.

OK, we can leave now.

It's a dangerous world out there and it's getting worse.

This take is the dangerous one. Everyone should have a gun? Oh please give me a break.

This you? Or are you going to argue that "nearly everyone" is sooooooooo much different than "everyone"?

I can see why everyone thinks you're the idiot here.

Southwest USA gun ownership is under 50% and much lower than the bible belt or WY/MT. Your tough guy posturing about how Texans aren't as strapped as you and hero roleplaying aren't impressive to anyone.

Stop roleplaying and be an adult.