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02-10-2011 , 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by mcb08
I'm not so good at teh mathz, but


What?


What?
first one has a clear math problem in his head.

Second one is needling and leveling the first guy.

U fail.


Though id like to know what has happened to ashman with cheating. That what Haseeb talked about in hs blog.
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02-10-2011 , 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Borderline_******
Why is everyone acting like Hasseeb is the only bad guy here?
Ashmans behavior is just as weird. These guys live in a different reality obv and ashman was just as ready to take haseebs money on something he considered a lock.
Different sides, different stories. Imo all good with this.
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02-10-2011 , 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Borderline_******
Why is everyone acting like Hasseeb is the only bad guy here?
Ashmans behavior is just as weird. These guys live in a different reality obv and ashman was just as ready to take haseebs money on something he considered a lock.
Yeah this. The entire situation is just mind-boggling to me. Then again I'm not a HS poker player with tons of money sitting in the bank. There truly is something inherently destructive about the poker lifestyle...
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02-10-2011 , 10:40 AM
I find it surprising that after 12 hours, when Ashton was taking a longer break, they didnt just call it off. If I was Haseeb, I would have told Ashton to just cancel the bet. I mean, at that point it looked like Haseeb was robbing him and had the bet locked. And since they knew Ashton wont quit until he seriously hurts himself they should have let it go. It was a stupid bet to begin with.

I dont like how Haseeb makes it look as if he was making Ashton a favor by taking the bet.. He said himself the most he has prop bet before was 1k. Now he takes a bet worth 300k, obviously he thought he was stealing, and was certain he is going to book a win easily and take massive amounts of his "friends" money.
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02-10-2011 , 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by poofinger
Bold bet, considering the guys in the UFC look like they're about to pass out after a 3 min. round while the women I see jogging, at a 20 min. mile pace, look fresh as a daisy after those same 3 minutes.
Seriously?!? This has to be a level. NOBODY can be this F***ing stupid. The absolute most ignorant statement I think I have ever read.
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02-10-2011 , 11:43 AM
Sick story for a movie, really enjoyed reading part 1 and 2! There's nobody without a running history who would win this prop on 2+2. just nobody.
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02-10-2011 , 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Krahv
first one has a clear math problem in his head.

Second one is needling and leveling the first guy.

U fail.
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02-10-2011 , 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by insidemanpoker
If you see a friend (and roommate) tilted and drunk and spewing his life-roll at the bellagio, what do you do? Try and get position on him? (LOL)

Of course not. What you do is beg and plead to get him to stop and walk away. You do everything in your power (whether fruitless or not) to help your friend from doing something self-destructive.
If I can't stop him from doing it, then yes, i absolutely would try to get position on him.

If I were to tilt off my whole BR or lose it some other way, I would much rather lose it to a friend than to a stranger. In fact, if it's a really good friend, it's hardly even like losing.

And if I were that friend and won the money, I would try to make the friend who lost let me give it back to him afterwards etc.
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02-10-2011 , 01:20 PM
If Haseeb goes busto he can always be a full time writer. Awesome read.
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02-10-2011 , 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Gazillion
Ashton's 900k to win 300k.

The bit that's confusing me is Haseeb's reference in his blog to potentially winning 600k. Is this a typo/brainfart or were the odds eventually changed to 2-1? Or is it possible (albeit unlikely) that he didn't even realise this was actually a $1.2M bet?
I thought Haseeb said a bunch of other people were involved in the bet on his side? The way you describe he's the only one.

As a writer - Haseeb is good at being emotive and setting the scene, but (clearly from this thread) he needs to work a little on being more clear on the details. I read the relevant part of his blog post 3 or 4 times and still wasn't clear which side was getting 3-1, or if Haseeb and Ashton were even on the same sid (until that part became obvious later in the post).
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02-10-2011 , 02:15 PM
My god these guys are dramatic.
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02-10-2011 , 02:48 PM
We're interviewing Ashton Griffin on the PokerNews Podcast today.

You guys have any specific questions for him? (Other than WTF?, How did you do that? Etc. etc.)
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02-10-2011 , 03:02 PM
just read part 2 of haseeb's write-up, and the only thing i don't understand is why he didn't take the opportunity to buyout. if he continued, he was either going to lose 285k or see his friend get hurt, and at that point it looke dlike he was going to lose

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Originally Posted by SantanaBandana
We're interviewing Ashton Griffin on the PokerNews Podcast today.

You guys have any specific questions for him? (Other than WTF?, How did you do that? Etc. etc.)
why did he do the bet? was it for himself or was it to somehow test his friends or their friendship?
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02-10-2011 , 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by SantanaBandana
We're interviewing Ashton Griffin on the PokerNews Podcast today.

You guys have any specific questions for him? (Other than WTF?, How did you do that? Etc. etc.)
Was it his $900k to Haseeb's $300k? If so why did Haseeb say others had action?

Has he gotten paid yet?

Did he have the money if he lost?

Did he ever touch the sides of the treadmill or rest his hands while running?

Was it always clear from the beginning that the bet was to be executed on a treadmill and not on the road?

Why did he call his parents?

How long was he sore?

How much weight did he lose during the bet?
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02-10-2011 , 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by craigthedeac
Based on Haseeb's blog it sounds like there was virtually no monitoring of the bet by anyone other than his parents who were clearly concerned with his health.

I realize that Haseeb totally trusted Ashton and while I would put the odds of cheating (intentional or unintentional) as a small number, for a million bucks I would *at least* get a webcam or something in there. Would probably also be smart to have a medical professional on hand.
i just keep picturing ashton skipping around in the gym while the tredmill racks up miles knowing hes gonna win 300k while DiH is just pullin his hair out and feeling awful....... not gonna lie its cracking me up.
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02-10-2011 , 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by SantanaBandana
We're interviewing Ashton Griffin on the PokerNews Podcast today.

You guys have any specific questions for him? (Other than WTF?, How did you do that? Etc. etc.)
would you do it over again knowing the outcome?

edit: shouldnt say knowing the outcome. but would you knew it would lead to DiH's breakdown after being told off by your parents and putting this much strain on your relationship.
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02-10-2011 , 03:20 PM
great story but I don't buy what's being sold. 900k usd bet and the guy can just claim he won even if he didn't. no ****ing chance.
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02-10-2011 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by SantanaBandana
We're interviewing Ashton Griffin on the PokerNews Podcast today.

You guys have any specific questions for him? (Other than WTF?, How did you do that? Etc. etc.)
What kind of car is he driving? BMW?
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02-10-2011 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Woodx
http://www.cardrunners.com/blog/inte...ollar-bet-pt-1

It's really well written and even though I must admit i feel sorry for haseeb as he did not foresee the implication and afternath, there is no way you should take such a bet from a friend.
He was convinced he'd win (or why would he book such a huge bet when he admitted himself he's not much of a prop better, and certainly not for this amount) and he knew Ashton would hurt himself rather than give up.
Try to convince him to bet less, to lay decent odds, support him, but don't book to win 900k from a friend you know had been abused in the past.

This. If he wins the bet, Ashton is basically injured and out $900k. What a piece of ****.

There's a comment written by 'fishsticks' on the second blog post that hits the nail on the head imo:

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February 10,2011
Haseeb -Your first half of the story definitely made you sound slimy. Trying to justify enabling a friend's self destructive behavior in order to make a buck by saying "hey, he was just going to throw it away anyways" makes you come across as a bad person.

Your second post makes you sound remorseful, but the thing is you didn't seem to really feel sorry until his mother treated you coldly. It seems that you care about what people think of you more than anything else. I wonder if his Mom hadn't shown up if you would feel the same way about things today.

Hopefully your moral compass will grow stronger from this, and do a better job of guiding you in the future.
fishsticks

February 10,2011
Oh, also, your story is full of a sense of self loathing and remorse. It feels like you are going over the top in order to have people reassure you that you are not a bad guy - when really that just needs to come from within and not be based on the opinions of others.
fishsticks
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02-10-2011 , 03:44 PM
its an impressive feat! well done ashman!

but just for comparison- the final march in selection for the british special air service and the american delta force is approx 40-50 mile march in 24 hours with 60lbs of gear over extremely rough terrain(basically a mountain range) and that is after 4 weeks of day to day ruckmarches of distances up to 30 miles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...rces_Selection

when you compare ashmans feat to that it isnt as mindblowing, just goes to show the endurance the human body is capable of!

not trying to take away from what ashman did, its an amazing feat of endurance and somthing i certainly wouldnt do!
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02-10-2011 , 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Keruli
just read part 2 of haseeb's write-up, and the only thing i don't understand is why he didn't take the opportunity to buyout. if he continued, he was either going to lose 285k or see his friend get hurt, and at that point it looke dlike he was going to lose



why did he do the bet? was it for himself or was it to somehow test his friends or their friendship?
because of math he didn't buy out. investing 85k more to have the shot at the 900k and the end of running is always harder.

haseeb had 285k and some others the other 15k ...
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02-10-2011 , 04:26 PM
oh and can you compare the shape you were in when you ran 22 miles and the shape you are in now?
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02-10-2011 , 04:29 PM
This was such an awesome story. Love how the degenerate gambler is laying ridiculous odds in DiH's favor when DiH should've been the one laying him odds. He accepts almost all of the action of the bet, basically thinking he's stealing 600k from his friend and gets owned with an hour left in the allotted time.

Really happy for Ashman, seems like a good dude that just needs to work through some issues. 70 miles in 24hrs is such a huge accomplishment.
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02-10-2011 , 05:31 PM
How do you know he didn't just put his hands on the rails to make the running way easier?
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02-10-2011 , 05:34 PM
Again, the billion $$ question. I know Haseeb believes Ashton wouldn't cheat. But was that even defined as cheating?
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