FACT: I checked snopes and there was no proof your allegation is true.

If you want to post "FACTS" perhaps you could justify your conclusion with....."FACTS!"

They get it from a donor or ask somebody to donate the sperm to them.

On the flip side I knew a girl who had a baby for a couple where the woman wasn't able to to get pregnant. So in that case the guy donates his sperm and they impregnated her. I asked her about it and she said she was given a large amount of $$ and she would be anonymous to the child.

The undergrad from MIT was very likely not gifted to her...MIT and Yale is a helluva combo when it comes to employment opportunities. While the Yale standards may have changed (as have a number of Ivy's), it still carries the prestige to get in the door where others may not even have seen the door open at all...

I dare say most who want to trash her have never actually met her or even had so much as a 'hello, how are you' in the hallways. Just as some love to hate the Hellmuth's and Negreanu's of the poker world, so to are there going to be those who hate Vanessa if for no other reason than she has accomplished much more than the haters ever will have. That she is a female (and lesbian) just adds fuel to the fire given the misogyny that is commonplace at live tables...

Caveat: I don't agree with all of the positions that she has adopted, but my bank account never complained about the money that she made me in the Super High Rollers. But reasonable people can also agree to disagree...and we have done that on more than one issue.

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Parts of your rebuttal has some merit, however . . .

Yes, the smarter, more disciplined players win far more often over the long term than those who are not. To argue otherwise is just silly. I know people who cant sit still for 20 minutes in a row, cant add fractions, and are wildly impatient. Think they would succeed over those who are calm, patient, and intelligent over the course of a year of poker?

Do gambling addicts "choose" to play? We all know a few people who come back to the tables over and over and never win and never improve and cant go 5 hands without finding a 6X pre-flop raising hand. Those people make me feel awkward to say the least, but you cant stop an addict (or anyone) who doesnt want, or is ready to accept, help. My job shows this me this hourly.

When the people who lose $10K tourneys go bankrupt they are far worse off than the single parent working two jobs, since they actually have jobs and a legit resume in comparison (people in the 10K tourneys do not have an unlimited bankroll, this is why so many names come and go)

By Vanessa's rules it is wrong (and in fact, makes you a "NAZI!!!" hey those are her words, not mine) to support any system that hurts the little people. It's tough to make the case that the thousands of local 1-2 nlh tables are a net positive for the typical minimum wage worker who comes in with $200 every other Friday with a significant part of their paycheck and loses it, sure you can claim "entertainment value," but that's a bit of stretch when they could have spent it on community college courses towards an Associate's degree to improve themselves out of minimum wage situations

So supporting a system where $10K is redistributed (or $200 at a time) from the many to the few is just wrong and she built her life "on the backs" of that. (I know the SJW lingo)

She can do whatever she likes, I dont really "hate" her, I laugh at the incredible hypocrisy of her life. I think she is academically brilliant, an MIT degree is one of the top academic achievements possible. I value that degree higher than the Yale Law degree. In fact, I'll bet at 3AM when she is exhausted and her guard is lowered she would be wonderful to discuss life with in a one-on-one conversation when she knows no one is watching out for her to be a loyal member of the SJW tribe.

I laugh at the blind spot she has regarding her views contradicting her actions.
It's not uncommon.
The tech world in particular is filled with SJW's who made their millions and billions destroying the futures of poor people by creating phones/games/apps that have them clinically addicted to the point they cant pass a basic skills test and cant get a good night's sleep. These tech SJW's have dedicated their most productive years working on how to get teens to stay on their phones all day and click on ads so corporations can get rich off them.

I dont waste my time "hating" but I do love me some message-board-hypocrisy-exposing. It's entertainment to me.

I'm no better than anyone else . . . except maybe at finding the hypocrisy.
That's my thing.

Maga props to you for actually spending an hour of your time trying to convince somebody with 0% percent chance of changing their position to your side. I used to do that back in the day, but then I realized some people are SO entrenched in their position that NOTHING can sway their opinion. Points of view on life topics are subjective....almost nothing can change a persons mind. Points of view on poker, however, are more likely OBJECTIVE because they are based on logic and math.


In summary, waste time on the objective....dismiss the subjective.

[QUOTE=michelle227;54104110]The undergrad from MIT was very likely not gifted to her...MIT and Yale is a helluva combo when it comes to employment opportunities.


Totally agree with this.

If you are running a business and one of the resume's says "MIT/Yale Law degree" you are absolutely calling them in for an interview.

The credentials get you to the top of anyone's list of prospective hires, now what you say and how you say it in the interview is another issue.

I'd hire the State U grad with strong people skills and work-ethic over the Ivy U grad who has bad people skills and questionable work-ethic every time.

It's like good looks, it'll get you more first dates, but if that's all you got, you wont be around for too long. Who would keep a cold, mean, 10, over a warm, fun, affectionate 8?

Vanessa's condescending personality is not an issue at a poker table where it's just you, a corporation of one, but if she acts like that condescending-SJW we so often see while working with others, she may not be there too long. Very few take being looked down upon well.

I wish her well, and she is still young, give her 15 to 20 more years and she may look back at herself and think, "Wow, was I a judgemental, condescending piece of work back then"

question: so basically what you just did in this sentence?

Anyone who uses the term SJW is guaranteed to be a bigger POS in real life than the person they're attacking. FACTS! Also, she doesn't have a degree from MIT.

FACT: calling an opinion a fact does not make it a fact.

This might actually be the only actual fact in this thread of facts.

i'm a confirmed dummy, but also smart enough to not engage in discussion with someone who has now twice re-directed a conversation into something else.

Well, you did say that "dumb people jump to personal attacks (however thinly veiled they may be)", a not so thinly veiled personal attack. If that's not hilarious then I don't know what is.

PROOF you are wrong.

okay cool. it was fun participating in this 'glennis streams his consciousness' thread but i have a nation to run, later.

It's considered well-mannered to acknowledge a self-burn graciously.

In fairness, her TV persona represents only a small percentage of the hate in this thread.

Raistlin16's "let me count the reasons" post above sums up the overall vitriol quite well, whether or not you agree with the premise of each point. And you'll notice that her onscreen behavior is not mentioned.

But what does this mean exactly? What does one do when they manage $10M of a hedge fund?

Quoting this for a bunch of basic answers the thread seems to have completely glossed over