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Old 08-14-2018, 05:42 PM   #1
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Arizona State Poker Championship canceling the event in progress because of flooding.

Supposedly they got 1 flight complete and were in the middle of the 2nd flight when the weather was so bad they stopped the tournament and then after rescheduling over and over a decision was made to cancel the event, pay people out from day 1a according to icm while lots of people who booked flights and hotels and stuff had to suffer losses. Looks like lots of people unhappy.

I'm wondering if they really had to cancel, maybe push it back a week? Seems like a drastic outcome.
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Old 08-14-2018, 05:44 PM   #2
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Re: Anyone here about the Arizona State Poker Championship canceling the event in progress beca

Can't figure out to edit the title but I wanted it to say it was canceled because of some flooding.
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Old 08-14-2018, 05:44 PM   #3
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Re: Anyone here about the Arizona State Poker Championship canceling the event in progress beca

That's just life, man. It happens with every type of event in the world. Baseball games get rained out, etc. Not an issue unless it happens over and over and affects a ton of people time and time again (and the cancellation is for nefarious reasons). Dog bites man is not a story.
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Old 08-14-2018, 06:37 PM   #4
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Re: Anyone here about the Arizona State Poker Championship canceling the event in progress beca

https://www.12news.com/article/news/...p/75-583670442

Sounds like more than 'just a storm' was going on...flooding to the point of evacuation is nasty stuff. Anyone who has ever been in a flood situation should be able to relate to the decision...
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Old 08-14-2018, 06:46 PM   #5
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Re: Arizona State Poker Championship canceling the event in progress because of flooding.

That and power going out. Sounds like they don't have much in the way of backup systems.
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Old 08-14-2018, 07:54 PM   #6
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Re: Arizona State Poker Championship canceling the event in progress because of flooding.

Yeah, not much they can do here imo. They LOVE that tournament, I'm sure everyone there hated the circumstances.
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Old 08-15-2018, 12:23 AM   #7
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Re: Arizona State Poker Championship canceling the event in progress because of flooding.

I actually quit a juicy online session the night before to watch the storm on my balcony. Looked and felt like the apocalypse was coming, eerily cool
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Old 08-15-2018, 08:43 AM   #8
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Re: Arizona State Poker Championship canceling the event in progress because of flooding.

One would think in this day and age big business could design and build a resort that directs storm runoff away from the electrical room.
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Old 08-15-2018, 09:33 AM   #9
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Re: Arizona State Poker Championship canceling the event in progress because of flooding.

just unfortunate.
Suffering losses is kind of non-sense, always a chance an event is canceled.
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Old 08-15-2018, 03:47 PM   #10
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Re: Arizona State Poker Championship canceling the event in progress because of flooding.

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One would think in this day and age big business could design and build a resort that directs storm runoff away from the electrical room.
there are occasions where designs LOOK good on paper but then reality sets in...or the storm overwhelms what was planned for (saw a LOT of that during Harvey last year).
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Old 08-16-2018, 04:28 AM   #11
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Re: Arizona State Poker Championship canceling the event in progress because of flooding.

You ain't seen nothin' until you've seen an Arizona sand storm approaching! I'm talking a wall of sand 500-1,000 feet high and miles across coming right at you. I've watched one approach from a hotel room several stories up in Phoenix and it was kind of scary not knowing what was going to happen. If you're in a car you better go the other way fast!

Fortunately, the hotel windows were strong enough to withstand the blast and in about fifteen minutes it had passed over. You definitely did not want to be out on the street in that thing! I hope never to encounter that again and I was totally unaware that it could happen here in the USA. I thought that was a phenomena only seen in the Sahara or a far off desert. I was wrong!
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Old 08-16-2018, 04:47 AM   #12
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Re: Arizona State Poker Championship canceling the event in progress because of flooding.

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I'm wondering if they really had to cancel, maybe push it back a week? Seems like a drastic outcome.
They can't really push it back a week, as the players you referred to that booked flights, hotels, etc would have to either withdraw or fork out more money for last minute alterations to their bookings.
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Old 08-16-2018, 05:22 PM   #13
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Re: Arizona State Poker Championship canceling the event in progress because of flooding.

First some clarification to OP. Day 1a (Friday) was complete. Casino was evacuated around 2am Saturday morning. Day 1b was scheduled to start at 9am on Saturday morning, so no flights were interrupted in the middle of play. I am pretty sure the actual casino wasn't flooded, but the area where they kept their power generators (either at ground level or underground). So it was more of a loss of power issue due to flooding instead of a flooding issue.

And I got a nice advertisement from them in my ASU football season tickets:

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Old 08-16-2018, 05:39 PM   #14
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Re: Arizona State Poker Championship canceling the event in progress because of flooding.

There's a reason why force majeur is a valid legal reason for canceling just about anything. There's nothing that can be done about it. The world is a random place
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Old 08-16-2018, 08:04 PM   #15
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There's a reason why force majeur is a valid legal reason for canceling just about anything. There's nothing that can be done about it. The world is a random place
Not putting your electrical system underground would be a start.
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Old 08-17-2018, 10:09 AM   #16
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Re: Arizona State Poker Championship canceling the event in progress because of flooding.

I've lived south of Phoenix since 1969.

1. Average rainfall is 4-8" per year
2. Summer storms are trackable and predictable for over 100 years.
3. Hold the engineering company that designed and built the resort accountable.
4. Hold the tribal board accountable for hiring them.
5. Water runs down hill, not that hard to figure out.
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Old 08-17-2018, 10:31 AM   #17
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Re: Arizona State Poker Championship canceling the event in progress because of flooding.

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I've lived south of Phoenix since 1969.

1. Average rainfall is 4-8" per year
2. Summer storms are trackable and predictable for over 100 years.
3. Hold the engineering company that designed and built the resort accountable.
4. Hold the tribal board accountable for hiring them.
5. Water runs down hill, not that hard to figure out.
I'm sure they considered none of these things when building the resort. They should've reached out to you for your sage advice
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Old 08-17-2018, 11:25 AM   #18
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Re: Arizona State Poker Championship canceling the event in progress because of flooding.

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I'm sure they considered none of these things when building the resort. They should've reached out to you for your sage advice
If so, maybe their electrical system would not have been flooded.

Just cause it's a desert doesn't mean floods are not a problem to be considered in casino design..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCZyCqge6G8
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Old 08-17-2018, 11:49 AM   #19
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Re: Arizona State Poker Championship canceling the event in progress because of flooding.

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If so, maybe their electrical system would not have been flooded.

Just cause it's a desert doesn't mean floods are not a problem to be considered in casino design..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCZyCqge6G8
Did I really have to put a "/s" at the end of my comment? They went through the worst monsoon in recorded history without this happening. https://www.azcentral.com/story/news...back/31563463/

This time was obviously a freak accident. But sure you guys are probably smarter than teams of architects and engineers.
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Old 08-17-2018, 12:03 PM   #20
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Re: Arizona State Poker Championship canceling the event in progress because of flooding.

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This time was obviously a freak accident. But sure you guys are probably smarter than teams of architects and engineers.
Bro this is 2+2, we are a collection of the smartest minds on the internet, even smarter then reddit.
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Old 08-17-2018, 12:10 PM   #21
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Re: Arizona State Poker Championship canceling the event in progress because of flooding.

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Did I really have to put a "/s" at the end of my comment? They went through the worst monsoon in recorded history without this happening. https://www.azcentral.com/story/news...back/31563463/

This time was obviously a freak accident. But sure you guys are probably smarter than teams of architects and engineers.
I see, there were "teams" of architects and engineers.

Results matter. A freak accident ? Did the laws of gravity change suddenly in Phoenix, did water flow uphill ? This was not a foreseeable event ?

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Old 08-17-2018, 12:43 PM   #22
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Re: Arizona State Poker Championship canceling the event in progress because of flooding.

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This time was obviously a freak accident. But sure you guys are probably smarter than teams of architects and engineers.
summer storms are not freak accidents. They occur EVERY YEAR, in the summer actually.

The Inca's that built Machu Picchu 500 years ago did it is such a way that torrential rains were diverted away from the main structures.

Maybe they should have consulted with someone from Persia. Which is now Iran, which isn't exactly a model first world country.
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Old 08-17-2018, 12:50 PM   #23
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Re: Arizona State Poker Championship canceling the event in progress because of flooding.

and I'm pretty sure the first day of engineer/architecture school covers water running downhill. Maybe they were playing poker online that day.
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Old 08-17-2018, 01:26 PM   #24
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Re: Arizona State Poker Championship canceling the event in progress because of flooding.

It has rained there before, this isn't the first monsoon season they've been open, so it wasn't an issue in the past. I'm not defending them, just pointing it out.
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Old 08-17-2018, 07:04 PM   #25
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Re: Arizona State Poker Championship canceling the event in progress because of flooding.

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summer storms are not freak accidents. They occur EVERY YEAR, in the summer actually.

The Inca's that built Machu Picchu 500 years ago did it is such a way that torrential rains were diverted away from the main structures.

Maybe they should have consulted with someone from Persia. Which is now Iran, which isn't exactly a model first world country.
Okay, you are just a troll. Glad we got that out of the way
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