But what if nobody at that table cares to play with u?

They just don’t get it.
They refuse to accept it.
The amount of presumed entitlement is mind boggling.
Grasping the fact that being GTO enjoyable is impossible for them.
The world is not your atm.
They don’t enjoy giving us their $, but they don’t mind giving it to others.
Think on that.
The people seated at these tables owe u no hands.
They owe u .... nothing
Is it not a net gain if they blow off a millions to JBR and other less skilled pros who might sprinkle it back into the high stakes community?
Maybe learning to not be a **** at the poker table will make u more socially acceptable in other parts of your lives.

So the game is 9 handed 200-400 plo. A player busts . U are next on the list, but u are , on their eyes , a social flat tire with whiny , entitled tendencies. They break the game and start an eight person list for 210-420 plo. Legal problem solved. All is well .

I love u

As for the Wynn private game deal I can say first hand that a well known whale from LATB came in early this year and had an open $25/50/100NL game, while yelling at people for being nits and telling them if they didn't put the $100 straddle on that he'd quit and there wouldn't be a game. The game filled within 10 minutes to 9 handed and I saw no seats reserved and no one was boxed out aside from not being able to get there quickly enough. There were no less than two pros seated who I knew from PNIA who I'd assume potentially had the power to make the game at least somewhat private, and certainly didn't. Maybe it's not $100/200 PLO and perhaps there are some crazy rules that close that game off. In this case the game was not closed and still plenty of $20k+ pots.

Once again, not feeling bad for someone if somehow the money isn't good enough at $10/20-$25/50 and they're also failing to network their way into super elite games. agreed with borg about poker parasites, the fun has been shamelessly sucked out of poker in many, many games. I have zero sympathy for anyone that climbed that high with that attitude

Then they can rack up.

I despise that type of behavior, **** I see it at 5-5 games st the Bike. But as you said, and more to the point- it's illegal to shut them out. It's sickening they make no effort to blend in and help for the good of the game but if they are really tired of them and want them to stop playing then the whale needs to host a game at his house. What if they just got shutout at every game ?

y The only good thing about 5/5 at the Bike right now is it's functioning as a kind of nit containment center. Kinda like in ghost busters when they're rounding up all the ghouls and putting them in one place. This is very nice for LA poker that tablet nits see the show and congregate there imo.

Let's please not talk about hypotheticals that make it tougher and less appealing for whales to play poker. The answer to your question about what they would do if they got shut out of every game is simple, they would go play ultimate. Fun is their primary currency, they have no wish to play in a game where they can't win it

I'm talking about the nits

Edit: and the pros at that table ( Aria)
need to needle the nits so badly they eventually can't take it anymore.

Nerds complaining that the cheerleaders want to hook up with the jocks. A story for the ages.

Does somebody have this "Fun or Not Fun" test that's administered? Lots of people seem sure that every excluded player is a terrible human being and the exclusions are not for things like "outside the clique/sidedeal" and "too good at PLO" and it's made me curious.

Well, I've been practicing gaming law in Nevada for 25+ years. What I have related I have heard in GCB meetings on several occasions over the years.

Your post about it being "telling" that no one posted anything more specific means that the policy does not or has not existed ?

The salon rules are about as specific as I can recall, without doing research. I understand you are not actually interested enough to do research, you prefer to rest on your belief that because no one else did to your satisfaction, that is "telling" to you.

Break the game! This attitude helps your bottom line I bet. If u watched a player take a great line , u may copy it, but u avoid a lot of good advice itt.

I will offer u poker and gambling networking lessons for 250$ an hour next time I’m in Vegas or LA. U seem like u have been on the outside looking in for a while.

You do realize that a casino can 86 you, for annoying a guest:

NRS 207.200 Unlawful trespass upon land; warning against trespassing.

1. Unless a greater penalty is provided pursuant to NRS 200.603, any person who, under circumstances not amounting to a burglary:

(a) Goes upon the land or into any building of another with intent to vex or annoy the owner or occupant thereof, or to commit any unlawful act; or

(b) Willfully goes or remains upon any land or in any building after having been warned by the owner or occupant thereof not to trespass,

is guilty of a misdemeanor. The meaning of this subsection is not limited by subsections 2 and 4

You are a guest in the poker room, you can be asked to leave. If you do not listen, you can be criminally liable.

"(b) "Guest" means any person entertained or to whom hospitality is extended, including, but not limited to, any person who stays overnight."

While there is litigation over whether or not a casino can refuse service to a blackjack advantage player, there may be a difference re poker, where there are other guests involved, in what may be considered an entertaining past time.

If you are hurting the entertainment value, I suspect there may be defensible grounds to argue that asking you to leave would not be an illegal or improper exercise under the statute*. There ARE limits on 86ing someone for an improper reason, such as race. However, I do not think being a nit or even a good player is a legally protected class.

Bust up a few ongoing games by insisting you can sit, make the other players have to pick up, and you might create a good test case if the casino were to 86 you for doing so.

Try it in real life and let us know how it goes ....

LOL, Yeah money is not everything but without money you will be near nothing.
Who wants to play with pros who bring nothing to the table. If they do not care about money why complain about the game being private. They are only complaining because they care for easy money. GTFO.

Keep your head phones off and actually listen to them. Most whales at this level are funny and successful. If maybe st chose to put in the time, they could prolly break even or beat the game, but it’s not their reason for playing.

Share a sports betting tip w them for that night or find out f they bet anyone. Go the sport book and bet a couple hundred on their side to sweat it in with them . Enjoy their success or share their pain throughout the game .

Tell self demeaning, funny , non poker stories about yourself. I like telling older guys about swinging and missing on viagra because they have all been there .

If they straddle , u straddle . Remember u have to give action to get action. I look at it as adverting dollars.

The are there to be entertained so entertain. It doesn’t come easy for everyone but it is by far the most important part of a high stakes skill set.

A 9 handed game has one seat open up. They call you for the game and when you get to the table, 8 players stand up and say they are quitting if you try to sit down (this is something that actually happens in some games in some casinos). Do you sit down? They aren't bluffing. The game will break.

You choose to sit down. The game breaks. The other 8 players try to start a new game. Maybe higher stakes, maybe "lower" (they were playing 100/200 and now they are playing 50/100 with an optional not optional 200 straddle because you can't just break a 100/200 game and say you are starting a 100/200 game), maybe the game changes from holdem to holdem/PLO. Do you go to that game now?

Do you prevent all 8 other players from playing poker until you are done being at the casino?

Most whales I’ve played w don’t disdain skill, or people winning $ from them , it’s how they do it. Arrogance, being condescending, never showing a hand wen occasionally asked... all of this behavior keep people from having fun.

I know some piss poor pros that think it’s correct cause “ it tilts the whale “. No , he goes and does something else.

MrAdvantage and borg putting on an absolute clinic ITT. (Gzesh too in a different manner) ...Shame it will be ignored by the clueless regs

Online aside because that’s already been killed ..... The inhabitants of poker rooms are so much different to 10 years ago because of the behaviour of pros / wannabes. The interesting /intelligent people have mostly given up on the game and headed back to the pits and machines

It’s just so mind blowing to see regs sneer at the plays of successful people (their customers) who are just trying to have fun ...but I see it happen every time I play . I just want to slap them

plus million

best post in thread

(those that don't understand this will never learn-its a skill just like the raw game skills, and has possibly more impact on earn long term than game- jrb is currently the most high profile example)

how? if nobody wants to play with these 10/20 pros then the options are

1)100/200 runs at wynn privately
2) it doesn't run

some people are super acdematically/mathamatically smart and some dumb when it comes to common sense.you can study all the gto **** you want, but if you're boring as **** and fish/whales don't like you you're gonna make way less money than someone who isn't as fundmentally good at poker but people like to play with.i've said it in other posts these people will argue over hand histories and 94 cents of ev while missing the big picture.

you just don't get it.

they're the reason the games run NOT you.

this is exactly what has been happening for the last few years at high stakes.

How did this post get ignored?