Well everyone is slamming this ruling, so what's the correct one then?

From what I've seen on twitter, most would like for the next card to be dealt from bottom of the deck.

Worst ruling ever.

Can you even have a misdeal after hole cards are dealt?

Of all the rulings the floor could have made, they picked the absolute worst one possible.

I'm still trying to figure out how the card was not identifiable. Did the dealer do some David Blaine handiwork and somehow insert the card into the middle of the muck within the blink of an eye?

pokernews has reported their fair share of incorrect hands

This is a strange ruling indeed. The only way that I can see it as being void is if they couldn't find the card dealt out on the river that the dealer threw into the muck. Or else this is a pretty standard shuffle and cut the deck again and deal the river card out type situation.

Surely this is the relevant TDA rule. The river card was part of the stub and was dropped in the muck before being properly dealt:

RP -4. Disordered Stub

When cards remain to be dealt on a hand and the stub is accidentally dropped and appears it may be disordered: 1) it is first preferable to try to reconstruct the original order of the stub if possible; 2) If not possible, try to create a new stub using on ly the stub cards (not the muck & prior burn cards). These should be scrambled, shuffled, cut, & play then proceeds with the new stub; 3) If when the stub is dropped it becomes mixed in with the muck & burncards, then scramble the stub, muck & burncards together, shuffle, and cut. Play then proceeds with the new stub.

From jack Effel.

"@WSOPTD: @AllenKessler you must shuffle deck/muck together to give the lost card an opportunity to come back."



Im not sure if this is fair, since low cards rate to be in the muck and kings rate to be in the remaining cards.

I was there, it's reported correctly from what I heard though I didn't see it directly.

untrue

A card dealt the from the stub has the same weighted range of possibilities as to what it could be as the the original unknown card. A card dealt from the muck+stub has a different weighted range of possibilities.

Exactly, it's mindnumbingly shocking that WSOP tournament director is ignorant / doesn't grasp this fundamental point.

I am the PokerNews reporter in Sydney.

Here is some more / new information

According the players at the table, the card was retrievable - one player even claimed to have seen the river card before it fell facedown, therefore if the card was retrieved it could be verified (I believe he said it was a 6d)

However, how I understand the local Sydney casino rule, as supposedly determined by state gaming regulations, is that no card can ever be retrieved face down from the muck even if somewhat identifiable.

Because of this, I believe the Sydney staff have then interpreted this / created a blanket rule that because the proper river card cannot be dealt, then the hand is void... This apparently has not happened before in a tournament scenario, but I have heard players saying it has happened in cash games. It has certainly not happened over the several years I have been reporting ANZPT Sydney.

The staff were lucky that the player with pocket fives did not push the issue and in fact was only slightly annoyed at the ruling.

Due to state-by-state gaming regulations and licensing in Australia, the ANZPT staff cannot intervene in decisions on the floor, the onus falls on the casino staff.

this is why online poker is a million ****ing times better.

I remember that Australia does have some bizarre rules due to local legislation. They vary by state as well so even within the country you can get different rulings on identical situations. For instance in Perth in all-in pots cards must be shown but in Melbourne you can wait to see the river card before deciding if you wish to table your hand or not in a cash game. There are at least a handful of others but it's over 5 years since I last played in Oz so can't recall them all now.

It's very possible this ruling is dues to some local legislation rather than a TD error.

Jack Effel ruling the river could be a card somebody folded is a real embarrassment.

Edit: the guy with 55 should be paid the amount of EV that was stolen from him in that pot.

Equity chop nut low option. While it might make little difference early, try that on near a bubble or significant pay jump and you'll have a riot on your hands.

Impressively poor decision for sure. If the card was retrievable you have to deal it, if not the remaining cards should be reshuffled and we deal a new river card. Seems reasonable/fair to all parties.

isnt all live poker still in the 2004-era?

regardless though, this **** would only happen at the star, worst place in the world to play poker.

Throw in the 'no phones or eating at the table rule' and the $10/hr time charge and $10 capped rake in cash games so yeah the Star is an awesome place to play.

this dead hand chicken **** is way worse

Part of the problem here is that Star has a religious belief that any card that touches the muck may as well cease to exist. The card may be sitting in the middle of the table clearly identifiable by all but if its edge has just faintly touched the muck it will invariably be ruled, regardless of game integrity, that the card is not to be retrieved and must be buried int he muck regardless of circumstances.

I agree, I was referring in terms of proposed solutions.

I thought the deck was a random number generator? Worst. Ruling. Ever.