I agree that HU should be removed everywhere, as fun as it is to play

I bet recreationals don't lose much faster on high stakes hu games then 6max. They play against much stronger ranges in 6max.
https://www.highstakesdb.com/profile...GASTRADER.aspx
Of courses this is just one example. I might be wrong, but it doesn't seem that obvious to me.
Sites also get rake from reg battles.
Problem is when they alow too many tables so everyone can get their own table and just bumhunt.
Also majority of the most epic battles in online history where hu matches.

Should we also get rid off plo? I heard regs have bigger edge there so recreationals lose faster there. It would be better for games and sites(and me). Why should anyone who doesn't play plo be mad?

I think best way(and cheapest) for high stakes would be listen to the regs and if they all or most agree then as someone mention give chance for suspect player to record himself and see if he plays the same.
Best players have very good feel for the game and how humans are thinking about it. As would anyone who is among the best in the world in their field notice in detail what are the strengths and weaknesses of others and if something funky is going on.

Additional problem with ignoring these bots is it's only question of time before unbeatable gto bots come to ring games.

Yes recs lose much faster at hu then 6max

There are huge issues with 6max games as well. People can easily collude and share holecards, you don't even need a bot or real-time solver for that.

well we cant make everything perfect but removing HU entirely would be a start

you guys HU is a core variant, the idea that HU should be removed because specialists bleed the recs dry before they can get annihilated at the 6mx tables is crazy. i know we all have our favorite game-types, but having a diverse mix of games on a site is more important

I made most of my money lifetime playing HU and although it is more fun I agree that it should be removed, it doesnt even exist really live apart from at the end of tourneys

but it is one of these formats that make online so special. zoom is the same way

maybe im naive but i want people to enjoy these online variants for decades to come. i dont want online to be a flash in a pan. i understand the threats to online as well as all of you, i dont need anyone to tell me why this isnt possible.

I wish poker had no huds, no solvers, so scripts, just sit and play cards, figure things out through trial and error but sadly we are past that and we gotta adapt

there won't be anything to enjoy in 10 years let alone for decades to come.

im not convinced online is doomed. the agent/app based sites show us that a 'club' model can work. you might be a part of a hundred-player pool that plays on an exclusive client or whatever. i mean for every way of exploiting the system there is a countermeasure (algorythms that pick up irregularities or 'solver' based signatures, clients that lock your computer down and prevent advisors/screen scraping, etc)

maybe in the future signing up for a site will require more info, the security teams can find ways of disincentivizing people from this activity

yes i know this probably wont happen, im just saying theres no reason to be so pessimistic about online.

lol did a mod actually delete those hilarious memes? this thread ****ing sucks

You're right there isnt one reason ,there are tons
The fact those shady apps even exist to begin with is a good reason to be pessamistic.

Needing tons of software just to have a chance of winning is another.Software botd etc are just going to get better and better and fun players will have less and less reasons to play

How do you know Kido doesn't play on stars under a different screenname?

But it's ok for you to accuse someone else of cheating based solely on speculation? How do you know that Kido isn't smarter than you, studying harder away from the table with his own better handmade tools?

You seem to think that your limitations extend to other players. Maybe you played some Daniel Tammet type person who can memorize pi to 22k decimal points?

Just to elucidate how far your memory and intelligence pale in comparison to the best in the world how many decimal points can you memorize pi? If you spent as much time trying to memorize as Daniel Tammet do you think you could memorize pi to even 1k decimal points??? That monumental feat would make you 1/22 as good as Tammet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Tammet

I'm not saying Kido isn't a bot. But there is absolutely zero evidence he is. You could have literally been playing some savant or someone close, something I would imagine might happen when you reach the upper echelons of poker.

Occam’s razor

hi kidopham

It does. Live games. Time to adapt right back.

yeah well where I live there isn't anything, I have to drive almost 2 hours and a half to get ok-ish games

Why no one thought cumicon was a bot? He crushed even harder huplo

Each day I look for the most narcissistic and self serving drivel I can find on 2p2; Today, well today you won Rick, so well done.

When many, many highly respected High Stakes regs concur that this player is 100% a bot it's probably pretty likely something is up.

Well done on bringing up an obscure example point to make you feel better about life though.

Alright buddy, where's my trophy then? As the winner of the most narcissistic and self serving drivel post I feel I deserve a trophy. I'm a narcissist after all =D.

Well done on putting me down to make you feel better about yourself. Did it work?

And by putting yourself in the camp with "many, many highly respected High stakes regs" it would seem you are making a self serving narcissistic post.

I feel like you meant to type your post to yourself.

Out of curiosity, how many decimal place of pi can you memorize?

Do you think Daniel Tammet could memorize a lot more of a solver than you could or all of the high stakes regs out there??? I mean he could learn a new language fluently in only a couple of weeks.

Not me though, I'm an idiot. A narcissistic idiot.

I simply wanted to point out that human beings are capable of some pretty amazing things and to try to think outside the box. It's entirely possible for a human being to memorize a lot more than OP is capable of.

Sorry if I allowed my ego to muddy the waters and make my message unclear.

Again let me repeat this I'm not saying Kido isn't a bot. Simply that there is no evidence, only conjecture, that Kido is a bot.

You got me. This whole parable is really me being narcissistic. I'm the wisest man in Athens because I alone am prepared to admit my own ignorance while you and the other HS pros pretend to know something you don't.

But I'm right, you guys ARE pretending to know something you can't.

Stop posting

And stop reflecting poorly on an epic show

Yeah seriously wtf

If you played chess online and encountered a player who made plays almost completely consistent with the best commercially available AI chess engine (which have been far, far better than the #1 human for many years now) would you consider that sufficient proof that you're up against a cheater? Or would it still just be conjecture and potentially Daniel Tammet picking up a new hobby?

You have no idea what you're talking about. Educate yourself on combinatorics and game complexity so that you can realize how ignorant you are to compare memorizing a sequence of 22000 digits to memorizing a (poker) game tree. see: http://poker.cs.ualberta.ca/publicat...rt-nl-size.pdf for example.

Let Daniel Tammet study chess databases and see how he fares against top GMs.