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Originally Posted by kahntrutahn
I don't think you can make this statement with any degree of certainty. You yourself have come out against other sites with botting issues. Every site has them. Even the put on a pedestal Poker Stars has bots as evidenced myriad times here at 2+2 with massive bot rings being exposed.
We simply do not know, collectively as players, how many bots are detected and shut down versus how many are not. For all we know, 95% of them are shut down and what we suspect as being bots are those that are smart enough to fly under the radar for extended periods of time.
Based on your response I assume you meant to include the other part of my post in the quote.
I agree that it's highly likely that every site has bots on them. I'm certain that the majority of them have at some point. I know that Stars has had issues in the past. The difference is that some of these sites do a noticeably better job keeping bots out of the games. It's not hard at all to tell which sites these are for someone who has been playing online poker and tracking bots for years. The bot forums also provide pretty good information about what sites come with the most risk.
We can be pretty certain about how big of a bot issue some of these sites have with statistical database analysis. Finding bot accounts on the Winning Poker Network is very easy. There are sites dedicated to datamining hands from their games. You can download these hands to your database and locate all of the accounts with high volume that have statistics commonly found in bot accounts. You will notice unique statistical similarities across multiple accounts that would not be found in most real players. If you want you can then go observe these accounts at the tables and you'll notice tendencies that are common among bots, but not among real players.
If you choose to report the accounts to the sites you can be pretty certain about how good of a job they do based on how many are still around in the next few weeks.
Ask the OP from this thread how many of the accounts he listed are still active. Last time I asked him he said the problem was getting worse.
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...e-bot-1727995/
Let's say they shut down 300 new bots a month, but 100, that we are certain of, remain for multiple months on end. I'd still say that they are inefficient and doing a poor job when the data, confirming these accounts are bots, can easily be found.
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Originally Posted by kahntrutahn
I do have an idea for a great story, but I don't have the time or the resources to pull it off. If any one wants to learn how to bot and work with us on a an expose', feel free to contact me. I'd like to truly get to the bottom of this and find out once and for all who really is lax with security, and who is not.
Not only would you be breaking the terms of service with these sites and risking your account, but you'd also be cheating the legitimate players. I wouldn't recommend anyone to do this without some reassurance that they would not be risking their account and that the cheated players would be reimbursed.
If someone could gather a good amount of insight doing this at several sites for an extended period of time I do think it would be a very fascinating article that I would love to read. It's just not something I'd be willing to spend time doing, especially without the reassurances I mentioned above.