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Anyone else tired of HS HUPLO Bot Kidopham on ACR? Anyone else tired of HS HUPLO Bot Kidopham on ACR?

01-10-2019 , 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by DonWon
So, it only became a problem after he took your $20K winnings & $5k bankroll? I think you lost all credibility after seeing this graph. You made it seem like you were some king crusher flashing your credentials. Had a bad run with one player, and he's automatically a bot/AS user.

Which one is the EV line again?

I also didn't know that I only played 40k hands this year, it's almost like all the hands aren't included in your sample
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01-10-2019 , 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by +EVillain
i have a feeling their security team consists of two dudes paid to pray nonstop in rotating shifts that another DDos attack doesnt crush WPN into the stone age

who knows what kind of show phil is running down there in costa rica. lol wasnt ultimate bet based on CR?
It is actually possible to get a tour of their headquarters and a presentation about their security. I and some of our staff went to Costa Rica and got one, as have a few dozen other players. We documented our visit online and IIRC, so did Jeff Boski.

Whether you believe what you see/hear would be a different story of course.

--
Kahn
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01-10-2019 , 12:43 PM
I’ve played Kidopham at 30-60 limit and dumped about 2k before my buddy messaged me saying I was playing a bot.
I didn’t know this to be common knowledge at the time.
I don’t know if I was playing a bot but I do know that this player played incredibly well.
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01-10-2019 , 01:18 PM
This is hilarious.
regs: please stop bot
acr: done
regs: hu cash is missing
acr: bot is stopped
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01-10-2019 , 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by '-'_@_
This is hilarious.
regs: please stop bot
acr: done
regs: hu cash is missing
acr: bot is stopped
lol...I do miss being able to play online. I wish these sites took bots seriously and put some true effort into stopping them. If the did, then I would play some again.
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01-10-2019 , 02:20 PM
So instead of inspecting/banning the bots they closed all hu tables. What a great site lol. Should report all bots on other formats and then there will be no more real money games on ACR anymore
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01-10-2019 , 03:56 PM
I got linked to this thread, so I'll chime in.

The fact that the trolls in this thread are not banned blows my mind! Welcome to 2+2 in 2019.

I have never played the account, or on ACR, but here are so many misconceptions ITT:
- Kidopham chatting does NOT make him legit. We know for a fact, that previous bots on Pokerstars did that as well.
- The potential identity of Kido Pham means nothing. Two of the previously banned bots on Pokerstars had known identities and played livetours from time to time.
- Having made one bad preflop play does NOT make him legit. Any decent bot-maker would mix in random generated actions (and small mistakes). The same goes for betsizes. It would be interesting to hear, how the account reacted to weird preflop sizes like 2,1679x?
- Realtime software sounds quite ambitious. Though, there is a good chance he is using pre-solved game-trees for preflop and flop. Maybe also turn. River requires more power, but is way less important @ 40bb HU poker. I could come up with two great offline methods using pre-solved Monker-sims to play turn/river close to optimal in SS HU PLO.

Not only in this case, but in multiple other, ACR come across as a ****hole of a site with a non-existing security department. Best of luck getting money back, people!
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01-10-2019 , 04:30 PM
What security are you expecting? Someone watching every table 24/7? The only thing security at any site can do is review hand history in the same formats we all see. Any site telling you different is lying.


BTW, the guy is a bot because OP said so.
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01-10-2019 , 04:45 PM
if someone gets their money stolen on a site they should be reimbursed. the site should at least take it seriously and work with the player

OP is uniquely qualified to point out a bot. lol, i mean he wrote a book on monker solutions in low SPR spots.
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01-10-2019 , 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by DonWon
What security are you expecting? Someone watching every table 24/7? The only thing security at any site can do is review hand history in the same formats we all see. Any site telling you different is lying.


BTW, the guy is a bot because OP said so.
Holy **** dude, enough already. We get it, you don't care for OP and his thread. Move on. Seriously.
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01-10-2019 , 06:26 PM
i'd be really surprised if kidopham is not a bot
im also really curious if someone can post hand historis (40-60bbs deep) where his actions deviate from gto
now when plo hu is a small community and nobody knows who kidopham is , he is not american but is word class player and wont play stars , alot of regs e-mailing acr all complaining about the same player and acr does nothing , it wouldn't surprise me if kidopham plays for acr... just saying
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01-10-2019 , 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by JoKon
i'd be really surprised if kidopham is not a bot
im also really curious if someone can post hand historis (40-60bbs deep) where his actions deviate from gto
now when plo hu is a small community and nobody knows who kidopham is , he is not american but is word class player and wont play stars , alot of regs e-mailing acr all complaining about the same player and acr does nothing , it wouldn't surprise me if kidopham plays for acr... just saying
I wouldn’t say they did nothing , he can’t play hu anymore....
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01-10-2019 , 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by DonWon
What security are you expecting? Someone watching every table 24/7? The only thing security at any site can do is review hand history in the same formats we all see. Any site telling you different is lying.


BTW, the guy is a bot because OP said so.


The fact that you think security teams just review individual hand histories shows how ignorant you are.

Take a look at Grethe’s post history and see the methods he has used to find so many. Maybe you’ll learn something.
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01-10-2019 , 07:22 PM
Cory Mikesell,

I'm quite surprised to learn that your account is the maximummaxmaxmax account. Your account sits in the lobby almost all day as well, I go to bed and it's camping the lobby and when I wake up it's still there. Sometimes I go to work and come back and it's still in the lobby. Do you ever sleep? Seems at least a bit hypocritical to call someone out for long hours and using it as proof that they are a bot.

You sounded quite legitimate this entire time. I gave you a ton of credit because Phil Galfond hired you to make videos for his site, and Phil is as credible as it gets when it comes to online poker. You were really selling yourself as a world class PLO player until your screen name was outed and then there was a bunch of back tracking.

I stated it didn't matter if it was Kido in the lobby or the next guy in line, whoever was holding the seat was going to take my lunch money regardless. Not surprised to hear you have your own custom solver you claim to not use at the table. You and your friends can claim the guy that beats you uses custom software at the table while you do not, but guess what, there was no evidence provided that kido does use it and you do not. The only credible evidence that you don't is your less than stellar results posted in this thread.

Those that can, do; those who can't, make training videos and write poker books.
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01-10-2019 , 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by foldforfooood
Cory Mikesell,

I'm quite surprised to learn that your account is the maximummaxmaxmax account. Your account sits in the lobby almost all day as well, I go to bed and it's camping the lobby and when I wake up it's still there. Sometimes I go to work and come back and it's still in the lobby. Do you ever sleep? Seems at least a bit hypocritical to call someone out for long hours and using it as proof that they are a bot.

You sounded quite legitimate this entire time. I gave you a ton of credit because Phil Galfond hired you to make videos for his site, and Phil is as credible as it gets when it comes to online poker. You were really selling yourself as a world class PLO player until your screen name was outed and then there was a bunch of back tracking.

I stated it didn't matter if it was Kido in the lobby or the next guy in line, whoever was holding the seat was going to take my lunch money regardless. Not surprised to hear you have your own custom solver you claim to not use at the table. You and your friends can claim the guy that beats you uses custom software at the table while you do not, but guess what, there was no evidence provided that kido does use it and you do not. The only credible evidence that you don't is your less than stellar results posted in this thread.

Those that can, do; those who can't, make training videos and write poker books.

WELL DAMNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
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01-10-2019 , 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by restacks
I'm American, can't play on Stars.
Are you that young that you were not around when stars became unavailabe to US players or what? Nothin persoanl, i've platyd many hundreds of thousands hands hu and zoom with most regs for about 10 yers now so i am just wondering if i ever played with you...
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01-10-2019 , 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by foldforfooood
Cory Mikesell,

I'm quite surprised to learn that your account is the maximummaxmaxmax account. Your account sits in the lobby almost all day as well, I go to bed and it's camping the lobby and when I wake up it's still there. Sometimes I go to work and come back and it's still in the lobby. Do you ever sleep? Seems at least a bit hypocritical to call someone out for long hours and using it as proof that they are a bot.

You sounded quite legitimate this entire time. I gave you a ton of credit because Phil Galfond hired you to make videos for his site, and Phil is as credible as it gets when it comes to online poker. You were really selling yourself as a world class PLO player until your screen name was outed and then there was a bunch of back tracking.

I stated it didn't matter if it was Kido in the lobby or the next guy in line, whoever was holding the seat was going to take my lunch money regardless. Not surprised to hear you have your own custom solver you claim to not use at the table. You and your friends can claim the guy that beats you uses custom software at the table while you do not, but guess what, there was no evidence provided that kido does use it and you do not. The only credible evidence that you don't is your less than stellar results posted in this thread.

Those that can, do; those who can't, make training videos and write poker books.
BODYBAG
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01-10-2019 , 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by foldforfooood
Cory Mikesell,

I'm quite surprised to learn that your account is the maximummaxmaxmax account. Your account sits in the lobby almost all day as well, I go to bed and it's camping the lobby and when I wake up it's still there. Sometimes I go to work and come back and it's still in the lobby. Do you ever sleep? Seems at least a bit hypocritical to call someone out for long hours and using it as proof that they are a bot.

You sounded quite legitimate this entire time. I gave you a ton of credit because Phil Galfond hired you to make videos for his site, and Phil is as credible as it gets when it comes to online poker. You were really selling yourself as a world class PLO player until your screen name was outed and then there was a bunch of back tracking.

I stated it didn't matter if it was Kido in the lobby or the next guy in line, whoever was holding the seat was going to take my lunch money regardless. Not surprised to hear you have your own custom solver you claim to not use at the table. You and your friends can claim the guy that beats you uses custom software at the table while you do not, but guess what, there was no evidence provided that kido does use it and you do not. The only credible evidence that you don't is your less than stellar results posted in this thread.

Those that can, do; those who can't, make training videos and write poker books.
Huh? I play about 6 hours a day usually starting 11am EST until about 5pm. I've been playing a little more lately because I'm about to leave to see my gf in the middle east and obviously won't be able to play here. Yeah I just sat at the tables, that's what you do in HU. I also have Ignition open and am probably doing other work while waiting.

You're also referencing results without an ev line that account for a 1/3 of my hands. Do you realize how inaccurate that tracking site is? I bet it says I was last on 26 days ago or something like that.

Feel free to look up the numerous graphs I've posted all over RIO. I think I was 70k under ev at 5-10 alone
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01-10-2019 , 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by foldforfooood
Cory Mikesell,

I'm quite surprised to learn that your account is the maximummaxmaxmax account. Your account sits in the lobby almost all day as well, I go to bed and it's camping the lobby and when I wake up it's still there. Sometimes I go to work and come back and it's still in the lobby. Do you ever sleep? Seems at least a bit hypocritical to call someone out for long hours and using it as proof that they are a bot.

You sounded quite legitimate this entire time. I gave you a ton of credit because Phil Galfond hired you to make videos for his site, and Phil is as credible as it gets when it comes to online poker. You were really selling yourself as a world class PLO player until your screen name was outed and then there was a bunch of back tracking.

I stated it didn't matter if it was Kido in the lobby or the next guy in line, whoever was holding the seat was going to take my lunch money regardless. Not surprised to hear you have your own custom solver you claim to not use at the table. You and your friends can claim the guy that beats you uses custom software at the table while you do not, but guess what, there was no evidence provided that kido does use it and you do not. The only credible evidence that you don't is your less than stellar results posted in this thread.

Those that can, do; those who can't, make training videos and write poker books.
I kind of agree with this. Even tho it’s extemely likely he’s using something while playing it’s nearly impossible to prove. And we start a slippery slope if we start banning people because they’re playing ‘too perfect’. Tough situation overall

Edit: except for the part where he’s not credible cause he’s not winning over a small sample
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01-10-2019 , 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by bombonca
Are you that young that you were not around when stars became unavailabe to US players or what? Nothin persoanl, i've platyd many hundreds of thousands hands hu and zoom with most regs for about 10 yers now so i am just wondering if i ever played with you...
I was one of the top chess masters in Ohio until about 2012-2013 and made a living teaching and winning a little money from tournaments while I was going through school. I had never played a hand of online poker until 2013 when I decided I would become a professional and pursued it that way. I started playing on Bovada and went from 5-10 cent to $10-$20 NL in a couple years. I've posted graphs of that on RIO too. I think I was up over 400k. I had started dabbling PLO, some traumatic things happened in my life, I took a year off, studied with the PLO solvers and wrote the book based on my discoveries. I hadn't played on ACR until late 2017 I believe.
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01-10-2019 , 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by trambopoline
I kind of agree with this. Even tho it’s extemely likely he’s using something while playing it’s nearly impossible to prove. And we start a slippery slope if we start banning people because they’re playing ‘too perfect’. Tough situation overall

Edit: except for the part where he’s not credible cause he’s not winning over a small sample
this cory mikesell guy is really something else. calls out another player for sitting long hours, then when he's called out for long hours says that's what everyone does. posts a graph of a player saying check out these results! someone posts a graph from the SAME site and he says how inaccurate it is.

calls out a player for custom software while he uses his own custom software, this guy must be looking in a mirror when posting
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01-10-2019 , 08:39 PM
#regbotwars
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01-10-2019 , 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Grethe
- Realtime software sounds quite ambitious. Though, there is a good chance he is using pre-solved game-trees for preflop and flop. Maybe also turn. River requires more power, but is way less important @ 40bb HU poker. I could come up with two great offline methods using pre-solved Monker-sims to play turn/river close to optimal in SS HU PLO.
River is fastest to solve and AFAIK if you have a solution for turn, you always have solved that turn card for 52 different river cards.

Tbh, I think it's inevitable that if even HUPLO has gotten to a point where solvers beat players, then it's pretty much time to get rid of HU altogether. If someone is able to come up with a bot with near-GTO solution, he sure as hell will find a way to utilize it. It's pretty naive to think that people would refrain from using AI tools/bots/pre-solved game trees ingame, but would be still willing to analyze their game afterwards using the same tools.

I'd really hope site's would move forward with random blind structure (link) for 6-max, and I think it could give a little extra breath of life to HU as well, since generating solutions real-time is not feasible yet, I think.

(Cliffs for random blind structure HU: both players have 100bb stacks, and software collects 1,5bb from both players and distributes that 3bb as randomly selected SB from 0,1-2,9bb, randomly selected BB from 0,1-[what-is-left-after-deciding-SB], and then rest as antes. So you could even kinda reversed blind scenarios from time to time, e.g. BB is 0,7bb, SB is 2,0bb and 0,3bb in antes. It makes using pre-solved preflop tables basically impossible.)
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01-10-2019 , 08:54 PM
Since people are just spewing random nonsense it's really not worth my time to participate in this any more. Neither do you deserve to see my actual results. However since I represent RunItOnce in some capacity and find it both stunning and appalling that you would impugn probably the highest integrity organization in the poker world here are some results. I will note that not even these are fully accurate. I've cashed out about 10k more. Those are hands that get improperly downloaded from Ignition usually. Also please note the hours are exactly as I stated above

https://gyazo.com/a3270a35c6137f2a6086f898240ea3cf
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01-10-2019 , 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ezdonkey
River is fastest to solve and AFAIK if you have a solution for turn, you always have solved that turn card for 52 different river cards.

Tbh, I think it's inevitable that if even HUPLO has gotten to a point where solvers beat players, then it's pretty much time to get rid of HU altogether. If someone is able to come up with a bot with near-GTO solution, he sure as hell will find a way to utilize it. It's pretty naive to think that people would refrain from using AI tools/bots/pre-solved game trees ingame, but would be still willing to analyze their game afterwards using the same tools.

I'd really hope site's would move forward with random blind structure (link) for 6-max, and I think it could give a little extra breath of life to HU as well, since generating solutions real-time is not feasible yet, I think.

(Cliffs for random blind structure HU: both players have 100bb stacks, and software collects 1,5bb from both players and distributes that 3bb as randomly selected SB from 0,1-2,9bb, randomly selected BB from 0,1-[what-is-left-after-deciding-SB], and then rest as antes. So you could even kinda reversed blind scenarios from time to time, e.g. BB is 0,7bb, SB is 2,0bb and 0,3bb in antes. It makes using pre-solved preflop tables basically impossible.)
Never encountered this idea before. Pretty cool!
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