To be honest I wouldn’t at all be surprised if this bot was an inside job to fund the bell end that they call CEO a new front row of platinum teeth..

So they don’t even investigate they just shut down the games? That is some weird **** going on right there..

Logging in and cashing out right now. It’s just insane what these people can get away with..

Of course every HU cash reg withdraws balance today. How could we not. Any other action honestly seems unreasonable. 0 notice, a 7 word answer on 2p2 and a few e-mail responses, when we play these games for a living. Sure was reasonable of them.

Someone chatting doesn’t mean that aren’t a bot, many have already posted it’s more likely an assisted bot getting real time advice

This man may be our only hope

Are you serious dude? Did you not check his "credentials" in the OP? He makes content for a site, so he must be top notch.

Their response is all you need to know. This is what they have said:

"This is a managerial decision"
"Hu cash has been removed for the forseeable future"
"There is no other information"

There won't be an answer, that's it. Maybe they were thinking about it, maybe they weren't. At this stage it probably doesn't matter, because it won't be changed. Maybe shouldn't have bitten the hand that was feeding us, but was probably happening soon anyway.

Cash out and move on, let them continue to have 5 hour late reg on tourneys and botted 6 max cash, with 8 player waiting lists. I guess in the end this site 'accidentally' got hu cash right, but they've fixed that now, so throw them in the gutter with the rest.

ADIOS WPN, full balance cashed out.

lol, well said.

I checked around the site of other players on the site that OP linked. I noticed igrabu has a cleaner graph after breaking even for a while, higher winrate and absolutely crushes more than kidopham. why no accusations against him?

Cory Mikesell openly uses solvers and likely datamines, it seems he had an extensive amount of hand histories on the accused player, you would need a TON of hands to reach the conclusions he has.

He has an argument, but a weak one. My friends and their friends agree he's a bot too is not going to convince anyone but himself. The amount of group think and circle jerking amongst the regs against the king reg beating them up doesn't assure me that he is a bot. it does assure me that with his little evidence we are faced with one big sore loser.

ACR made the right move in removing the lobby, if kidopham wasn't dominating the lobby, it'd be the next guy in line, likely OP

Well at least I managed to lose 10k on the last day ACR had HU, so that's something

Sad day for HU cash.

Hi Horus,

There is a clear difference between playing humans and robots. For someone that doesn't want to get @ at, you seem to be seeking lots of attention. Please stop derailing this thread into something that its not.

FUKK kidopham, definitely using assistant software.

To all the guys defending the cheats, its a big big difference if you use solvers or training content away from the tables to improve your game OR have the machine do it for you while you play! Very big difference, but like another poster said, its likely to be the future of online poker, the biggest winner will be the person with the best AI. GG HU PLO for now, GG online poker.

I gotta be honest, this is a horrible event for me and prob gg me lol playing poker for a living, but HORUS's post's are pretty funny, need to be able to find some humour in this.

That being said, can I pm you about thoughts communicating with WPN moving forward Lemay, you write better than I could.

"These games don’t fit into our business model so they were no longer be available in the network."

- ACR

In the age of solvers, heads up cash and hypers/spins were on borrowed time.

I am sure that top notch players like the OP will be able to make a living at 6-max. I do not wish to make light of the unfortunate immediate crisis of having the format pulled entirely. However, it was bound to happen.

Made an account to chime in, been playing on ACR for a couple years. I played between 1-2k hands with him. He did usually leave the tables when they were deep, which is a little odd but not damning. He chat extensively as well. OP mentioned his stats were rock solid, I actually had a couple sessions with him where I was hitting everything and up considerably and he seemed to be playing noticeably worse. He was pot bluffing the river every other hand, I doubt a solver was instructing him to play this wildly. This isn't conclusive that he's human either, he easily could have been on tilt losing and not following his bot.

I eventually quit him because I learned not to play anyone that dominated the lobby. If it wasn't kido, it was another reg, if not that reg, another reg. I and most of the weaker regs don't challenge anyone that owns the lobby. I wouldn't be surprised if anyone that was able to hold the lobby used a solver at the table or so extensively off the table it would make no difference to me.

I bought and use monker myself, not an expert by any means, but it's suspicious to me that OP and the other posters in this thread have a sample large enough that it's damning. OP mentioned leading certain hands at a certain frequency were solve outputs. Unless you have 100k-1m hands on someone, you're not going to have any kind of sample on 568sss and how a player's frequencies are when leading. Either there is private datamining via screenscrapers or a site that sells hand histories to study. It's just more reason for players like me and recs to not play the "top" players, they are going to have a hud with all of your stats before you even sit down. Not like I'd have a chance either way I guess.

I also enjoy Horus' memes tremendously, but I would like to make an analogy though to illustrate the logical fallacy he's perpetuating though:

Let's say you want to get good at basketball and play in the NBA. It's perfectly acceptable to hire a trainer, in fact, you'd be remiss not to. If you didn't lift weights or train with a shooting coach you'd also probably have little to no chance. Hell, you could even hire Lebron James or Stephen Curry if you had enough money. All of that is completely fine, acceptable, and frankly essential.

What would not be fine or acceptable is if Stephen Curry pretended to be you (somehow went unrecognized lol) and played for you during the scouting camps. This is essentially what botting or software assisted player is doing. The human didn't make a single poker decision the same way you didn't go 8/11 from 3 point territory while being guarded by a guy who's 6'5".

I'm only writing this post for about 10% of the population reading this. 45% of the posts in this thread are from the best HUPLO players in the world, all which agree with me. The other 45% of the posts are from recreational players who "don't know enough to know that they don't know" which is totally fine. This is for the 10% of people who have an open mind and would like to learn and understand more.

P.S. I've never purchased hands or looked at other databases to examine Kidopham's hands.

Hi foldforfooood,

I just wanted to reply because your post was very thoughtful and civil and it shows that you're thinking critically. I've probably used monker solver more than anyone in the world. It can't be used in real time. Even on an extremely powerful computer it takes hours or days to run a single simulation so no one is using a solver real time so you don't have to worry about that.

I respectfully disagree strongly with two premises that you stated above. I'm not trying to disparage you at all with this response so please don't interpret this as me suggesting you're stupid, a fish, etc:

1) Saying that pot bluffing the river is an indication of tilt or sub optimal play is incorrect. We input a sizing into the solver and get a range from that. Many times pot is indeed the best sizing and if you bet that size with good hands you probably should do so with bluffs. You likely just ran into his bluffing range a few more times than you would on average

2) If you study solver outputs you can figure out what the correct stats are for different areas of the game. Many of these stats will converge rather quickly if these happen early in a game tree (some within a few hundred or 1k hands though I've played significantly more than that with him/her/it). Yes it's hard to know if someone is betting a hand 58% of the time in a given situation, but it's not that hard to know if you have the exact correct donking frequency on average. To have perfect stats in every situation is extremely difficult for even the best players in the world. Then if you start looking at hands that go to showdown and those match solver outputs every time, you're likely being cheated.

Thanks for the reply. I'm not convinced either way. I try to play as closely to solver outputs as I can and fail miserably, I was never a good student. You are probably 99% as close and kido is 99.9%. It's not really damning to me if someone might be studying better than anyone else and everyone is aspiring to reach this end goal. In a few years, some hungry asian kid is going to make kido look like a fish, probably spelling bee champ or chess grand master.

Mind sharing your own screen name on ACR. Would help me realize how credible you are, I've played almost all the regs at least some.

I like how u break down this threads population

And thanks for making this thread, kidopham is cancer and needed to be removed. A shame they removed the whole body instead..

Lets all go battle it out at mega rake stars zoom, or vs the lol rake and likely bots at microgaming, or the lol multi accounting on ipoker. Who has the best agent for a table on poker master?

No problem. Glad to do it. Sad about the poor outcome.

I actually tried to send you a private message, but 2+2 says you can't receive PM's or blocked them or something. I'd rather not say my screenname publicly.

Look at me.. I am king of the hill now! LOL, so funny, I laugh at the same meme every time I check the thread.


That king of the hill **** must've been really deep for someone to go snitch after losing.

The Ultimate Defeat.