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Anyone else tired of HS HUPLO Bot Kidopham on ACR? Anyone else tired of HS HUPLO Bot Kidopham on ACR?

01-09-2019 , 03:47 PM
so hes a clear cheater. lobby closed due to cheating. and the cheating money isnt returned to the players? lol online poker.
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01-09-2019 , 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Tastyburger
Hi XXXXXXX,

Thanks for getting in touch with us.

To let you know, as per management decision, we’ve eliminate heads-up cash games and heads up hyper-turbo Sit & Go’s over $50 from the site. These games don’t fit into our business model so they were no longer be available in the network.

If you have any questions, do not hesitate to contact us.

Nathan C
AmericasCardroom Support

No chance of a re-implementation on that response
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01-09-2019 , 04:03 PM
mass tabling (if he gets action) HU generates pretty high hands/hour, how is he playing accordingly to solver in realtime ? what kind of supercomputer has he got
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01-09-2019 , 04:16 PM
So this thread was the cause of all HU games above 50$ to be removed. Nice one OP.
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01-09-2019 , 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by RyanWCollins
mass tabling (if he gets action) HU generates pretty high hands/hour, how is he playing accordingly to solver in realtime ? what kind of supercomputer has he got
Not sure about the computer exactly, but as a HU pro you very often will hold all the tables in a lobby if you're the best and only have action on one or two tables or 4 if you're battling a reg. Mostly you'll just be waiting with no action.

Another point is that when he takes over the lobby, he usually only takes 4 tables at a time from me so it's well within reason that he could respond to his machine outputs in that timeframe.
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01-09-2019 , 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by bombonca
So this thread was the cause of all HU games above 50$ to be removed. Nice one OP.
As a HUPLO professional, this was clearly my master plan...muuuhahahahah (rubs hands together in sinister and greedy fashion)
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01-09-2019 , 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by bombonca
So this thread was the cause of all HU games above 50$ to be removed. Nice one OP.
You are stupid , please stop talking
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01-09-2019 , 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by bombonca
So this thread was the cause of all HU games above 50$ to be removed. Nice one OP.
Yes, because this is the first time anyone has mentioned anything about cheating on ACR....Ofc they didn't remove the HU games because of a 1 day old/50 post thread. Try to think before you post.
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01-09-2019 , 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by restacks
As a HUPLO professional, this was clearly my master plan...muuuhahahahah (rubs hands together in sinister and greedy fashion)
Your motivation was to get rid of the player bot who is better then you, who was holding the lobby that you want to hold, you did that , but also screwed yourself and all other plo hu regs in the process. Why did no one else report him, it had to be you his arguably main competitor, so that you can take recs money and not him. I feel you..
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01-09-2019 , 04:41 PM
As a highstakes hu reg that plays on ACR in these games I can absolutely confirm Kidopham is a bot. Tomson’s post and OP’s posts are spot on as to why and having done my own research I came to the same conclusion and sent emails to ACR (BCP skin) regarding my concerns some time ago. I am also aware of multiple other hs players who have contacted ACR, everyone was told they would look into it yet no action has ever been taken. In terms of additional evidence not already presented in the thread, a couple years ago when I played Kidopham he used to only sit short tables and quit every time he got over 40bb (similar to the way he does at 100bb currently). This is clearly due to the short solutions being obtained first and he has added deeper solutions to the program over time. The hs community is quite small, every reg know every other reg and anyone capable of holding lobbies would certainly play on stars unless they live in the US (Kidopham doesn’t live in the US). Kidopham doesn’t have an account on stars because their security team is actually good.

If the decision to remove the heads up lobby is indeed linked to this thread it is pretty terrible of ACR. It’s possible the two events aren’t linked but if it is then they basically picked this option because they don’t want to spend any money on a decent security team and only act because the information is now being publicised instead of listening to the multiple people who repeatedly contacted them about this issue. If this is their approach to security issues, I have no confidence that they are able to detect any other forms of cheating especially in 6max (collusion is a lot easier and harder to detect).
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01-09-2019 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by golfbum983
You are stupid , please stop talking
you bitchin again...weak ass clown.
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01-09-2019 , 04:48 PM
How quickly was kido able to play? Was there tanking on even relatively trivial decisions? I'm assuming the setup was the one TCfromUB suggested where it was a team of 2 or more people with one "playing"/controlling the mouse and the other(s) monitoring, inputting data as quickly as possible into some program, and then advising. I'm just curious how about how efficient the cheats have become.
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01-09-2019 , 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by bombonca
Your motivation was to get rid of the player bot who is better then you, who was holding the lobby that you want to hold, you did that , but also screwed yourself and all other plo hu regs in the process. Why did no one else report him, it had to be you his arguably main competitor, so that you can take recs money and not him. I feel you..
Hi bombonca,

We don't know if this thread resulted in the actions taken by ACR. This thread had a very small number of views when they did decide to remove the HU lobbies, linking one event to the other seems far-fetched.

Everyone in this thread seems to lack empathy towards Cory, he has been cheated out of lots of money. His motivation is to try and get the issue solved because ACR would not take any action. If somehow the events are linked, the result-oriented bias linked with the outcome in this case is strong. This is one of the worst outcome possible, I believe he acted in good faith in simply got a bad result.

If you are looking for someone to blame, I suggest you target your anger towards ACR management.
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01-09-2019 , 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by bombonca
Your motivation was to get rid of the player bot who is better then you, who was holding the lobby that you want to hold, you did that , but also screwed yourself and all other plo hu regs in the process. Why did no one else report him, it had to be you his arguably main competitor, so that you can take recs money and not him. I feel you..
Are you really this stupid? OP is not the only one who reported the guy. He even said so in his very first post, you know the one with a #1 next to it. I know for a fact that several players have reported this guy more than once. This is an important issue to some of us, could you please go be an idiot somewhere else.
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01-09-2019 , 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Lemay002
Hi bombonca,

We don't know if this thread resulted in the actions taken by ACR. This thread had a very small number of views when they did decide to remove the HU lobbies, linking one event to the other seems far-fetched.

Everyone in this thread seems to lack empathy towards Cory, he has been cheated out of lots of money. His motivation is to try and get the issue solved because ACR would not take any action. If somehow the events are linked, the result-oriented bias linked with the outcome in this case is strong. This is one of the worst outcome possible, I believe he acted in good faith in simply got a bad result.

If you are looking for someone to blame, I suggest you target your anger towards ACR management.

Sup Lemay, honestly i am just breaking balls...carry on.
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01-09-2019 , 04:58 PM
Incidentally I have a bunch of hands vs Kidopham at 1/2 and 2/4 huplo from 18-24 months ago (always short) and he was never that great, then suddenly got better, then suddenly played way way higher. So I guess I was the bot guinea pig, if it's a bot.

He did go from bumming with me 20bb deep at 1/2 and 2/4 to lol owning the high stakes lobby pretty quickly. I also know a bunch of people who play higher and the general consensus is that it's a bot.

I'd agree we're lacking empathy towards Cory right now, lots of people just got rekt so emotional reactions are to be expected. Appreciate your reasonable outlook Lemay.
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01-09-2019 , 05:10 PM
I'm potentially interested in consulting on bot detection for ACR if their security team wants to get in touch with me.
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01-09-2019 , 05:16 PM
I'm curious to what people seem to think Stars would've done in this situation? If they have complex enough bots to beat high stakes HU, I'm sure they can bypass PS security team. If they force the player to record the session ? No problem, just buy a wireless invisible earpiece and have someone else say what u should do. They'd have to ban him solely on playing too much GTO
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01-09-2019 , 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by RyanWCollins
They'd have to ban him solely on playing too much GTO
Pokersites don't need a reason to ban players. It's up to them who they want playing on their site. If a player becomes a "problem" and they can't prove any wrongdoing/cheating, they will just ban the player without seizing any funds.
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01-09-2019 , 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Sam Ganzfried
I'm potentially interested in consulting on bot detection for ACR if their security team wants to get in touch with me.
Hi Sam,

I believe messaging Winning_TD in the thread ''Internet Poker'' would be a good start. He is an ACR rep.

Here is a link to the thread:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...hread-1112097/
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01-09-2019 , 06:04 PM
OP-
I will just say a few things to you, its not kidopham who is the problem, its people like YOU.
You just havent adjusted, and he damn well doesnt play perfect preflop. I have played this guy a ton, and up 13k on him from 30 60 playing strictly short, he 100% is human. Why? well i have had numerous chats with him on the tables, and he wont play me cuz i hit and run alot(in his mind) and will force me to play his preferred stake only. He will sitout if i sit his 10 20 tables. I have also seen him get in $340 of a 600 stack with J863,
if thats perfect i dunno what to tell you. I have also seen him pot a KJJhh flop and not fold to my repot and showup with 8445 with a 5 high flushdraw. This guy got gamble and tilt to him

You want to do something good for the online plo community? Add to the collection and write emails reporting OmgnhLOL and Xhannah, two of the biggest cheats i come across in my life on acr.

Plug your leaks and you can beat kido for real.
BTW, if you dont believe me , id be willing to escrow up front and have u see that i can get him to chat in the damn chatbox.
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01-09-2019 , 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by WhatsUpGuys
OP-
I will just say a few things to you, its not kidopham who is the problem, its people like YOU.
You just havent adjusted, and he damn well doesnt play perfect preflop. I have played this guy a ton, and up 13k on him from 30 60 playing strictly short, he 100% is human. Why? well i have had numerous chats with him on the tables, and he wont play me cuz i hit and run alot(in his mind) and will force me to play his preferred stake only. He will sitout if i sit his 10 20 tables. I have also seen him get in $340 of a 600 stack with J863,
if thats perfect i dunno what to tell you. I have also seen him pot a KJJhh flop and not fold to my repot and showup with 8445 with a 5 high flushdraw. This guy got gamble and tilt to him

You want to do something good for the online plo community? Add to the collection and write emails reporting OmgnhLOL and Xhannah, two of the biggest cheats i come across in my life on acr.

Plug your leaks and you can beat kido for real.
BTW, if you dont believe me , id be willing to escrow up front and have u see that i can get him to chat in the damn chatbox.

Hi kidoPham!!

I think as others mentioned , he may be clicking the buttons himself.
Therefore talking in chat wouldn’t prove anything
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01-09-2019 , 06:10 PM
(cross posted from the ACR/BCP forum here on 2+2):I've been playing HU on ACR/BCP since 2014. I'm very dissapointed to see the heads up lobby removed.

I really hope the decision wasn't influenced by the recent topic exposing kidopham (shortstack bot, big winner, sat the HU lobby uncontested by other regulars for over a year now). Removing an entire game format because of a single cheater would not only be incredibly unfair and disrespectful to the rest of the players on the site, but would also disincentivize people from exposing cheaters in the future and thus would create an even more unhealthy environment (and ACRs/BCPs reputation regarding bots is bad as it is). Bots will be even more of an issue in the future and if they can't handle an obvious one (and one that has been reported by a dozens high stakes regulars) this bolds terribly for the coming years and the players should be very concerned.

If the removal of the heads up tables is unrelated I'd still urge ACR/BCP to reconsider. The heads up ecosystem was hardly predatory compared to other formats, there was a fair bit of battling between regulars on every stake level. This along with the king of the hill system made the site special - one of the few so welcoming to people who enjoy 1on1 poker. It would be an incredible shame to see that gone.
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01-09-2019 , 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by WhatsUpGuys
OP-
I will just say a few things to you, its not kidopham who is the problem, its people like YOU.
You just havent adjusted, and he damn well doesnt play perfect preflop. I have played this guy a ton, and up 13k on him from 30 60 playing strictly short, he 100% is human. Why? well i have had numerous chats with him on the tables, and he wont play me cuz i hit and run alot(in his mind) and will force me to play his preferred stake only. He will sitout if i sit his 10 20 tables. I have also seen him get in $340 of a 600 stack with J863,
if thats perfect i dunno what to tell you. I have also seen him pot a KJJhh flop and not fold to my repot and showup with 8445 with a 5 high flushdraw. This guy got gamble and tilt to him

You want to do something good for the online plo community? Add to the collection and write emails reporting OmgnhLOL and Xhannah, two of the biggest cheats i come across in my life on acr.

Plug your leaks and you can beat kido for real.
BTW, if you dont believe me , id be willing to escrow up front and have u see that i can get him to chat in the damn chatbox.
ACR doesn't have 30-60 PLO
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01-09-2019 , 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by tomsOn
(cross posted from the ACR/BCP forum here on 2+2):I've been playing HU on ACR/BCP since 2014. I'm very dissapointed to see the heads up lobby removed.

I really hope the decision wasn't influenced by the recent topic exposing kidopham (shortstack bot, big winner, sat the HU lobby uncontested by other regulars for over a year now). Removing an entire game format because of a single cheater would not only be incredibly unfair and disrespectful to the rest of the players on the site, but would also disincentivize people from exposing cheaters in the future and thus would create an even more unhealthy environment (and ACRs/BCPs reputation regarding bots is bad as it is). Bots will be even more of an issue in the future and if they can't handle an obvious one (and one that has been reported by a dozens high stakes regulars) this bolds terribly for the coming years and the players should be very concerned.

If the removal of the heads up tables is unrelated I'd still urge ACR/BCP to reconsider. The heads up ecosystem was hardly predatory compared to other formats, there was a fair bit of battling between regulars on every stake level. This along with the king of the hill system made the site special - one of the few so welcoming to people who enjoy 1on1 poker. It would be an incredible shame to see that gone.
I agree completely with this poster
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