ACR reps are more than clueless. I'll bet a large amount of money with anyone in here that is convinced he's not a bot.

Lol, they also promised mucked cards at showdown at least 3 years ago.

Regardless I think TC is basically saying that Kido is a real person using a real time adviser aka dream machine and inputting the output into the poker client himself so I would assume they would not detect that as a bot.

Though you guys might not realize it, live mix cash in the US is thriving, from small stakes all the way up to the nosebleeds in Bobby’s room. In pretty much every major poker room in any part of the country, mix is usually the biggest games in the room.

Online, swcpoker has a smaller player base than many sites, but there are mix games and tourneys running all day. I got a 90 minute hu session of badugi/badeucy/badacey/2-7 at $8/16 (equivalent in BTC) at 6 am yesterday.

Beyond that, there is a bunch of HS mix (various big bet and limit mix options) w plenty of full tables running on kingsclubpkr, an agent site where a bunch of the big names play. Perhaps you didn’t realize it bc you don’t have a reason to seek out those games, which is understandable. But you’re both quite misinformed regarding the state of online and live mix, esp in the US. Might be time to learn other games, or you guys might be crushing enough in the PLO/NL games that that you there’s no reason to cast a wider net.

Ill bet you $20,000 pokerstars will win

As anything ever come from this thread ? I am just a rec player but have played a ton with kidopham and always felt something could be up ?

Basically no one knows but if he is a bot acr doesn’t care , as they don’t even have security afaik

So has anything come from this thread?

Yes , they elimated hu

Something has come from the twitch stream of HU vs a bot in a MTT. This is the only thread without the updated info.

Yes, it appears they are trying something else besides silent obfuscation and a complete lack of transparency.

The 'ex-official' ACR thread actually shows some there has been positive moves on ACR's end. At least a the start of helping players feel good about playing there.

hehehe, should this thread title be updated? Turns out this dude was legit, according to Phil?

So we believe everything he tells us now ??

I have no idea wether he’s a bot or not...

The thread title should really be changed, the OP provided no evidence, yet twoplustwo allows that for a title, seems like slander to me. I wasn't really sure if kido was a bot or not, but Phil cleared him, said he was heavily investigated and passed, also is playing on other poker sites, likely Stars. We don't know the true identity of Kido, Phil Nagy does, it's likely a PLO superstar all along if he is verifiable playing on other sites.

Pretty comical the ACR regs all tried to battle the PLO GOAT, got their lunch money taken and cried bot, all while using solvers themselves(maybe even at the tables?). Time for real evidence or have this thread closed.

True there was no hard evidence of botting... but also Nagy answers to no regulators so how valid could his findings be? Surely it is not good if your site has allowed a bot to dominate at the highest stakes for so long. Tough Spot

Has no one done a stat breakdown of the potential bot?

Pretty sure op did and said bot , then handofgod did and said no bot ?

Many have asked that the OP provide some evidence to lend veracity to his extraordinary claims. None has been provided. All I said was that kidopham's stat profile was absolutely nowhere neart that of the 87+ bots that I have identified at PLO cash 6max tables.

OP was claiming something different though. He asserts that kidopham was using a real-time solver or advisor software that gave him the GTO strategy for every single situation. Seeing OP is not even a winning player based off of statname.net I doubt he is qualified to opine on such a matter. Simply being employed as a PLO coach for Run it Once or having run monker sims or analyzed sims is not evidence. Someone mentioned earlier in the thread that OP has no idea what frequencies that kido was using with hands that even went to showdown over such a tiny sample that the OP would have played with him. He also would not have any idea about what hands took certain bet sizes and lines with hands that didn't go to showdown. Frivolous and slanderous claims from the OP. I am not saying that I think kidopham was NOT a bot, just that there has been absolute no evidence to suggest that he was besides hearsay.

Which is the simpler explanation?

1)OP was cheated by a GTO-playing real-time solver using bot.

2)OP was beaten by a stronger player.

Weak players many times make false accusations of bots/cheating because it actually seems real to them. Maybe they don't want to admit that they were outplayed or are simply unable to differentiate being cheated from being outplayed fairly. I think it is much more likely that is what happened here. If OP ends up providing some evidence to back up his claims I will reconsider. OP has not even provided the slightest amount of statistical data which is quite suprising.

Seeing Mr. Nagy and his security department were unable to detect very obvious bots that ran amok on their site for years , I don't think their determination should be the final word either.

The thing is, he passed the captcha test or whatever test they had implemented last year. Is that not good enough?

As handofgod mentioned op was claiming a human was using real time advice for gto so a captcha test wouldn’t do much?

Than he would have put a different title?

I think this might be the first case of self-inflicted wound for throwing around an accusation.


Time will show ones true character.

No-one is going to provide precise point by point reasons why they believe someone is using real-time assistance, because all that results is in the person being more smart about it next time he uses it.

Let's find a mutually agreed upon arbiter who will watch him play live (they can write a non-disclosure so that in the case nothing is proven he remains anonymous) and I'm more than happy to give him a 5bb/100 handicap vs me and/or vs the other regs that have posted ITT and of course I will issue an apology here if I'm wrong. It is not going to happen. I could tweak the terms to make them even more favorable for him so that no sane legit player would turn them down - it is still not going happen. It would clear his name, make him a ton of money and help with his action (since people would be sure he's not cheating) - it is not going to happen.

Obviously you might argue that is not proof, but how much free EV can one pass up on honestly?

I think this is all getting convoluted with apple and oranges comparisons. Non-human bots are different than humans with real time assistance. Heads up cheating is different than 6 max. Even holdem cheating is different than Omaha cheat. For example the PLO 6max bots are no where near GTO but still crush rec players. What annoys me besides the cheats is when good people trying to make the games safe start arguing amongst themselves.

Pokerstars solved a lot of this mess by making certain people do a test session while filmed. And then comparing that filmed session stats to previous play.

From what a very trustworthy source told me, the Russian bot ring is able to pass that test session because their software is somehow hidden. He said that if you turn on TeamViewer you could see the software but the other guys won't.

I guess it is still possible to record a session with a real camera and there is no doubt that Stars games are far more safe than any other network so Stars is doing something right or at least has the source to do it.

If you think about a poker site and its operator, all she wants is games to run 24/7. It's not like they care WHO plays as long as the games are run. In a casino, the floor doesn't care either who you are.

So until it becomes public, nothing usually changes. And for the recs, do they care who they play against? I mean at low stakes they don't really know the regs. At highstakes, I assume recs want to play against the known superstars.

First of all ACR does not have hu tables anymore so I don't think he can "help his action" at all as kidopham does not play on the site anymore. You seem to be of the conviction that he was not a human clicking buttons, which is certainly not what many that do believe he had a real time solver or advisor have said (OP seems to be in your camp).

Why on earth would any high stakes online poker player agree to have someone come and observe him playing live. For one there are obvious security concerns, and why should he have to disclose his strategy to anyone? All because a losing player flung poo at him on a forum with literally no evidence? I think that "no sane legit" high stakes player would ever agree to such an absurd proposal.

Do you realize that the OP accused kidopham of playing a GTO strategy? If he is playing GTO then you would know that his strategy would always remain the same and no frequencies would ever change. How do you think that one would "be more smart" after his GTO play was discovered the first time? Stop playing GTO?

Ok, if we're only talking about ACR then you have a point, unless he wants to start playing other formats on there as well.
Yes, he is a person using real time assistance software.

Your argument seems to be there are no possible conceivable incentives that are too good to pass up on for a player to let a mutually agreed upon person watch him play. You must know you're being silly now, right?

He doesn't need to disclose his strategy, he doesn't need to talk at all.

If you are a HU crusher and people start offering you free money just so someone with an extremely solid reputation like Joeingram can watch you play for a 2-3 days when you're playing vs them (he can sign a NDA that prohibits him from saying anything about your game to anyone) then the only thing an innocent person says at that point is: 'Make it X$, Y can watch me play and escrow the money now so I know you're not full of ****'. Please don't drag me down a fairy tale scenario where there is no amount of $ or any person trustworthy enough where he can possibly agree to those terms. If that's gonna be your argument I'm not going to participate in the discussion.

Kido is bb in this hand. I'm 99% sure he isn't a bot (he's legit good at limit/plo8 as well) and I doubt any real time software is giving him this line. I've got a lot of hands on him and his stats don't seem out of the ordinary. He limps far more than population and monker suggests though. His winrate is also nowhere near crushing level. In fact cumicon's is more than double over a huge sample. Elite regs are always the ones who hold the lobby. They're elite because they do stuff other regs don't do. The fact he's been chased away from the site, and that site has completely dissolved a game type, because of a baseless accusation is quite frankly scandalous.

I don't play PLO but the river action is sketchy as ****