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Old 01-08-2019, 02:47 PM   #1
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Anyone else tired of HS HUPLO Bot Kidopham on ACR?

Has anyone else in the HS HUPLO community tired of the entire lobby being taken up by Kidopham, a player we all know is botting?

My credentials: This is Cory Mikesell. I make videos for RunItOnce, wrote PLO 3B Pots Game Theory and Practice and Play HS HUPLO full time on ACR and Ignition.

Evidence:

1) His hands are extremely consistent with solver outputs in almost all situations. I've done a great deal of study on short stacked HUPLO and can say with confidence that his game is perfect preflop.

2) He uses multiple sizings in every situation. At first I thought this was an indication that he was an overambitious regular who was leaking somewhere. As it turns out, all of his strange donking and mutiple sizing schemes correspond to solver outputs.

3) He only plays short. It's much easier to build a bot that plays well short. He will even pick up against recreational players when he gets deep.

4) He never sits at a 6 max table to start games. Why wouldn't a HS HU crusher start 25-50 6 handed tables? He will sit at one table of 30-60 limit Omaha occasionally. I think this his designed as a half hearted attempt to sow some doubt that he's a bot. Obviously he never gets action here

5) There is a strong consensus among HS regulars that he is a bot. He only gets action from the recreational players and newer pros that don't know who he is.

I fell into the latter category and lost 25k to this player. I don't expect ACR to give the money back, but I would like a public response from them explaining their justification for allowing this to happen.

Here's a graph to illustrate the severity of the problem:
https://gyazo.com/2ed4eea8ae78138747fb63bded00aaa5

While botting is a growing problem in online poker, never (to my knowledge) has a bot held the entire HS lobby for 12+ hours a day, everyday and taken more than half a million dollars out of the game, mostly from recreational players.

ACR's response has been tepid when I reached out via email. I along with other players have reported him and of course ACR has no desire to admit fault in order to preserve game integrity. I hope other HS regs will post in this thread so that we can finally create critical mass and have something done. Remember that while you as a 6 max professional may not be hurt by this guy directly, unaware recreational players are regularly devoured by him and that hurts everyone.
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Old 01-08-2019, 02:59 PM   #2
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Re: Anyone else tired of HS HUPLO Bot Kidopham on ACR?

Ive always assumed he was a bot but never played him so i couldnt contribute to any statistical analysis. He obviously thinks the poker world is full of pussies with no backbones if he's comfortable fleecing 500k.
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Old 01-08-2019, 03:09 PM   #3
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Re: Anyone else tired of HS HUPLO Bot Kidopham on ACR?

I think H0RUS is also a bot. He seems to be replying to every thread with the same line.
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Old 01-08-2019, 03:14 PM   #4
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Re: Anyone else tired of HS HUPLO Bot Kidopham on ACR?

Have you checked with Kido Pham to see if it's him? The one that has over $2.6 Million in live tourney earnings - http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?n=29477
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Old 01-08-2019, 03:14 PM   #5
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Re: Anyone else tired of HS HUPLO Bot Kidopham on ACR?

How do you know its easier to build a bot that plays short? Sounds like you're just a sore loser if he took $25k from a content maker.
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Old 01-08-2019, 03:23 PM   #6
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Re: Anyone else tired of HS HUPLO Bot Kidopham on ACR?

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realise it's easier to make a bot that plays short.
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Old 01-08-2019, 03:25 PM   #7
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Re: Anyone else tired of HS HUPLO Bot Kidopham on ACR?

Same ****, it's just a .txt file with hands.
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Old 01-08-2019, 03:27 PM   #8
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Re: Anyone else tired of HS HUPLO Bot Kidopham on ACR?

lol. Of course it is.
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Old 01-08-2019, 03:56 PM   #9
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Re: Anyone else tired of HS HUPLO Bot Kidopham on ACR?

Nothing new here

Another bot on acr, more cheating, no security

Acr rep will probably come here soon and say he checked and is registered to a player so it can’t be a robot

If u want to play fair don’t play here lol
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Old 01-08-2019, 03:57 PM   #10
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Re: Anyone else tired of HS HUPLO Bot Kidopham on ACR?

maybe ur just not as good as u think u r
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Old 01-08-2019, 04:06 PM   #11
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Re: Anyone else tired of HS HUPLO Bot Kidopham on ACR?

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Have you checked with Kido Pham to see if it's him? The one that has over $2.6 Million in live tourney earnings - http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?n=29477
The actual Kido Pham lives in Texas I believe and this account is from Canada.
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Old 01-08-2019, 04:09 PM   #12
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maybe ur just not as good as u think u r
Despite being cheated, my winrate is still in the double digits at 5-10+
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Old 01-08-2019, 04:14 PM   #13
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Re: Anyone else tired of HS HUPLO Bot Kidopham on ACR?

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I think H0RUS is also a bot. He seems to be replying to every thread with the same line.
Once in a blue moon I see a comment that makes me wish 2p2 had upvoting or like buttons.

wp sir
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Old 01-08-2019, 04:38 PM   #14
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Re: Anyone else tired of HS HUPLO Bot Kidopham on ACR?

Breaking news, this just in!

No money heads up.

ACR is bot infested.
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Old 01-08-2019, 04:49 PM   #15
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Re: Anyone else tired of HS HUPLO Bot Kidopham on ACR?

I would really like it if we were able to get him banned. Really bad for regulars and recreational players alike.
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Old 01-08-2019, 05:06 PM   #16
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Re: Anyone else tired of HS HUPLO Bot Kidopham on ACR?

why can't this be a great player?
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Old 01-08-2019, 05:33 PM   #17
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Re: Anyone else tired of HS HUPLO Bot Kidopham on ACR?

My opinion, I think it’s a real player who just uses real time software. Most of the time he will respond to questions asked. Also at one point he used to give me action 100bb+ plo but has since stopped. He’s a pseudo bot
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Old 01-08-2019, 05:34 PM   #18
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Re: Anyone else tired of HS HUPLO Bot Kidopham on ACR?

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why can't this be a great player?
That's what I thought for a while. For one thing, he plays really long hours everyday. That's not definitive proof, but it's certainly difficult for a human to pull off. His stats also never change. Most HS pros will try to adjust or have just enough randomness in their game that their stats fluctuate a bit. His are rock solid steady. That's not definitive either, maybe he's just a super GTO wizard that doesn't try to exploit. I don wonder though, if this player were really this good, wouldn't he also crush stars at even higher stakes and be considered the best in the world? My guess is that he was either banned from stars or doesn't want to risk a site with actual security. Again, I'm not saying this is definitive proof, but it's quite suspicious when put together with all the other information.
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Old 01-08-2019, 05:35 PM   #19
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My opinion, I think its a real player who just uses real time software. Most of the time he will respond to questions asked. Also at one point he used to give me action 100bb+ plo but has since stopped. Hes a pseudo bot
Yeah I think this is very possible.
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Old 01-08-2019, 09:23 PM   #20
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Re: Anyone else tired of HS HUPLO Bot Kidopham on ACR?

From what you've described, it's highly likely he is cheating with a bot or some sort of assistance software. Then again OP, I'm guessing you've almost certainly used seating scripts and data-mined hands at some point in your poker career, so it's just a case of pot and kettle here.

The best thing you can do is report the player and stop playing against him. And while you're at it, stop playing on ACR completely. There's something really suspicious about the whole site. Not to mention the site (along with your money) could easily disappear at any moment.
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Old 01-08-2019, 09:29 PM   #21
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Anyone else tired of HS HUPLO Bot Kidopham on ACR?

These days the term bot includes anyone using real time advisors that follow the game state (cards, action, stacks, etc).

Kido is without question a bot. He is a real person controlling the mouse but he absolutely has a follow along CFRM-based advisor. And its very good.

Yes the reason he plays shorter is because the game is smaller at 40bb vs 100bb. He did start playing 100bb a few months ago but is now back to quitting at that stack size. My guess is hes not comfortable with his 100bb solutions vs elite humans. He is not beatable by a human, at the very least at short stack. Tbh I really doubt he is at 100 either I suspect hes just being a nit about it.
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Old 01-08-2019, 10:43 PM   #22
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Re: Anyone else tired of HS HUPLO Bot Kidopham on ACR?

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From what you've described, it's highly likely he is cheating with a bot or some sort of assistance software. Then again OP, I'm guessing you've almost certainly used seating scripts and data-mined hands at some point in your poker career, so it's just a case of pot and kettle here.

The best thing you can do is report the player and stop playing against him. And while you're at it, stop playing on ACR completely. There's something really suspicious about the whole site. Not to mention the site (along with your money) could easily disappear at any moment.
I've actually never used a seating script and have only ever looked at hands in my own personal database (not sure if by datamining you meant combining other databases or buying hands etc). I've just tried to be the best by studying hard and playing well. I also disagree that ACR needs to be completely rejected. I think a lot of American players like the site and have a hard time trusting other sites where there is rampant cheating. I would just like to see this particular cheater removed from ACR.
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Old 01-08-2019, 10:45 PM   #23
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Re: Anyone else tired of HS HUPLO Bot Kidopham on ACR?

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These days the term bot includes anyone using real time advisors that follow the game state (cards, action, stacks, etc).

Kido is without question a bot. He is a real person controlling the mouse but he absolutely has a follow along CFRM-based advisor. And its very good.

Yes the reason he plays shorter is because the game is smaller at 40bb vs 100bb. He did start playing 100bb a few months ago but is now back to quitting at that stack size. My guess is hes not comfortable with his 100bb solutions vs elite humans. He is not beatable by a human, at the very least at short stack. Tbh I really doubt he is at 100 either I suspect hes just being a nit about it.
Thanks for joining into the discussion. I 100% agree with everything he had to say here.
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Old 01-09-2019, 08:25 AM   #24
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Re: Anyone else tired of HS HUPLO Bot Kidopham on ACR?

Shows what type of person you are wanting someone removed because they beat you. The only proof you have of them being a bot is getting your ass kicked for $25k. Good luck getting a public response from ACR on someone else's personal business.
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Old 01-09-2019, 09:03 AM   #25
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Re: Anyone else tired of HS HUPLO Bot Kidopham on ACR?

You're so wrong it hurts. Are you by any chance personally affected by the OP's accusation?

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Shows what type of person you are wanting someone removed because they beat you.
Your reply says more about you than OP's post about him. It's obvious that OP will only want to remove bots that are winning from him and drain money from economy. What else would you expect?

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The only proof you have of them being a bot is getting your ass kicked for $25k.
He doesn't have any proof but a strong suspicion with clues that all together make the accusation very plausible. Sharing these suspicions to gather community knowledge about accused player is a known strategy that has been successful on 2+2 in getting bots banned in the past.
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