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Anyone else think Dario didn't play very well HU? Anyone else think Dario didn't play very well HU?

07-18-2019 , 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Andro
OP should take a stab at high stakes HU games, he clearly has it all figured out.
I thought it made sense from a distribution model but not as it relates to poker, hence my asking for advice

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07-18-2019 , 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelvis
Haven't seen it but can't be more painful than watching that Vayo guy.
It wasn't...youd have to put a patch on a half dead sloth to recreate that ft.

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07-18-2019 , 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Atinat
I rewatched and took notes on the first 50 hands, I'll get to the rest later, but my thoughts so far are, it doesn't look like either really has had more luck in their own hands, but Ensan is getting paid off. Some of that is on Dario (Queens and Tens vs a pair of 5s, and Dario pays off three streets), some of it was luck (Dario flops a straight, Ensan has nothing and folds, vs Ensan turns a straight against Dario's flopped pair of aces). Ensan definitely had some flaws in his preflop game (sizing tells, mostly; through 50 hands, he's only deviated from his normal sizing when his hand was weak), but Dario played too many hands (if you wanna say he should be playing 100% from the button with a 2.5x size, fine, but 72s, 62o, and 54o belong in the muck). Literally 100%, with only one limp before he got down below 150mm. That's not to say Dario was playing bad, and certainly not that I could do better, just that he was getting outplayed (in addition to probably not getting the cards, but I haven't compared the session yet). I'll share the notes when I'm done
Yeah it's a fine mix of luck and math there. Thanks for that analysis, it gives it more color than the "bb ante so you must" discussion.

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07-18-2019 , 01:29 PM
Maybe he did,
Maybe he didn’t,
Maybe him and his 6 million dollars will look back on this one and say man, we should have played better
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07-18-2019 , 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by PardoG
Maybe he did,
Maybe he didn’t,
Maybe him and his 6 million dollars will look back on this one and say man, we should have played better
I loled at that. Good point. I was just talking about HU; his ring play was on point.
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07-18-2019 , 01:34 PM
Not enough Spin & Go's on Stars.....
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07-18-2019 , 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by anthonyps321
He's actually not. Only won MTTs with 30 players or less. Not much online play.
That might depend on your definition of “not much”. OPR has him at almost 7k games just for his PokerStars account.
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07-18-2019 , 01:55 PM
That semi bluff on the final hand was wasteful. He still had quite a lot of chips left.
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07-18-2019 , 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by madlex
That might depend on your definition of “not much”. OPR has him at almost 7k games just for his PokerStars account.
That's a fair amount I suppose.
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07-18-2019 , 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by anthonyps321
I loled at that. Good point. I was just talking about HU; his ring play was on point.
For sure - but in all seriousness, I could never judge anyone who has played for 7-8 days straight for 12 hours a day under those conditions and in his case, likely has a large percentage of his own action and is battling in what is the equivalent of a 2M dollar HU sit and go. When they play well it’s super impressive, when they play bad to me it’s irrelevant. That just has to be the most surreal spot of spots to be in no matter what your experience or proficiency is.
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07-18-2019 , 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by PardoG
For sure - but in all seriousness, I could never judge anyone who has played for 7-8 days straight for 12 hours a day under those conditions and in his case, likely has a large percentage of his own action and is battling in what is the equivalent of a 2M dollar HU sit and go. When they play well it’s super impressive, when they play bad to me it’s irrelevant. That just has to be the most surreal spot of spots to be in no matter what your experience or proficiency is.
+1
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07-18-2019 , 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Tutejszy
you guys realise Dario is a hs/nosebleed HU reg, right? vpiping close to 100% from bb is obv super standard hu (even more so with antes), especially vs a recreational player
I'm pretty sure you are thinking of Dario Minieri, not Dario Sammartino. One has a scarf and a Porsche. The other one, not so much.
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07-18-2019 , 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
I'm pretty sure you are thinking of Dario Minieri, not Dario Sammartino. One has a scarf and a Porsche. The other one, not so much.
“The other one” cashed for 1.6mil in a 111k One Drop and for over 700k winning a SCOOP $21k high roller.
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07-18-2019 , 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by madlex
“The other one” cashed for 1.6mil in a 111k One Drop and for over 700k winning a SCOOP $21k high roller.
There is no way on earth he has anywhere close to 100% in equity, especially in that one drop. If he did then he's just a shot taking degen and can be be put in the "other one" category. If the point isn't that he won a lot of money but that it was an achievement; live donkament results are not a way to measure skill in any way.
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07-18-2019 , 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by madlex
“The other one” cashed for 1.6mil in a 111k One Drop and for over 700k winning a SCOOP $21k high roller.
Yeah but Dario Minieri had the day 3 chip lead and was the first player to pass 2 million chips in the 2007 main event.
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07-18-2019 , 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelvis
There is no way on earth he has anywhere close to 100% in equity, especially in that one drop. If he did then he's just a shot taking degen and can be be put in the "other one" category. If the point isn't that he won a lot of money but that it was an achievement; live donkament results are not a way to measure skill in any way.
The only point is that he’s both an online and live high roller regular. Nothing else.
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07-18-2019 , 05:38 PM
Kelvis thinks every pro sucks. Poker is easy for Kelvis. Kelvis is the GOAT

I mean how many non skilled players do you think can even sell enough action to play The One Drop?
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07-18-2019 , 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by UnnaturalDisaster
Kelvis thinks every pro sucks. Poker is easy for Kelvis. Kelvis is the GOAT

I mean how many non skilled players do you think can even sell enough action to play The One Drop?
You're a joke. Not only is that not true, there is no record of me saying that. I have no idea how Dario plays, nor have I expressed my opinion. Of course he sold action the the one drop, where did I suggest he is a fish and couldn't sell equity?
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07-18-2019 , 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by madlex
The only point is that he’s both an online and live high roller regular. Nothing else.
Ok but is he a "hs/nosebleed HU reg" as was asserted? The fact that he won an 8max SCOOP tournament reasserts the fact that Sammartino is a tournament pro, not a "hs/nosebleed HU reg"
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07-18-2019 , 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelvis
You're a joke. Not only is that not true, there is no record of me saying that. I have no idea how Dario plays, nor have I expressed my opinion. Of course he sold action the the one drop, where did I suggest he is a fish and couldn't sell equity?
How many times have you posted about live tournament results not being an indicator of ones skill? every thread I read you post the same ****. We get it.

You are arguing that just because Dario has had success in high rollers doesn't necessarily mean he is skilled but the fact that he is even playing high rollers is a pretty good indication of skill. Basically every single young guy who plays live high rollers has also crushed MTTs online. You don't play high rollers without selling action and the people who buy up these pieces are not idiots.
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07-18-2019 , 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelvis
You're a joke. Not only is that not true, there is no record of me saying that. I have no idea how Dario plays, nor have I expressed my opinion. Of course he sold action the the one drop, where did I suggest he is a fish and couldn't sell equity?
As a longtime reader but seldom poster I can give my two cents that kelvis is actually being very civil today
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07-18-2019 , 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by UnnaturalDisaster
How many times have you posted about live tournament results not being an indicator of ones skill? every thread I read you post the same ****. We get it.



You are arguing that just because Dario has had success in high rollers doesn't necessarily mean he is skilled but the fact that he is even playing high rollers is a pretty good indication of skill. Basically every single young guy who plays live high rollers has also crushed MTTs online. You don't play high rollers without selling action and the people who buy up these pieces are not idiots.
I think the underlying theory of why he says that is that, in my opinion, when people start saying what you have to do in these situations, like the discussion about the big blind ante and preflop above , that's accurate over millions of hands, but might not be pertinent to the situation at hand.

That's what I was kind of getting at but didn't realize what I was saying until right now. In this particular situation, you should have been folding those garbage can so that he could have pushed big pots against Ensan.
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07-18-2019 , 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by UnnaturalDisaster
How many times have you posted about live tournament results not being an indicator of ones skill? every thread I read you post the same ****. We get it.

You are arguing that just because Dario has had success in high rollers doesn't necessarily mean he is skilled but the fact that he is even playing high rollers is a pretty good indication of skill. Basically every single young guy who plays live high rollers has also crushed MTTs online. You don't play high rollers without selling action and the people who buy up these pieces are not idiots.
So saying one fact is indicative of me saying every poker pro sucks? And I keep saying it because a bunch of fanboys use irrelevant result as "proof" someone is super duper good. If that nonsense stops then my job is done.

Also being able to sell action in a market that structurally overpays means very little. If you were to make the total sum of markups and markdowns of all players, it would surprise me if it was not (way) more than the total prize pool. It all comes from the systematic bias people have towards people that run good --> therefor must be a super good player worthy of their markup. I don't necessarily blame them, it is tough to make a true assessment of skill and equity in a donkament, and these people tend to overestimate themselves as well and keep the poker economy alive so by all means keep doing it.

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As a longtime reader but seldom poster I can give my two cents that kelvis is actually being very civil today
I'm just a mirror of NVG.
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07-18-2019 , 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
Yeah but Dario Minieri had the day 3 chip lead and was the first player to pass 2 million chips in the 2007 main event.
I heard Dario Minieri was a middling stack on day 2 and was the third guy that day to really do a number on the unisex bathroom at the the 2008 Choctaw circuit.
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07-19-2019 , 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
Ok but is he a "hs/nosebleed HU reg" as was asserted? The fact that he won an 8max SCOOP tournament reasserts the fact that Sammartino is a tournament pro, not a "hs/nosebleed HU reg"
Not sure about HU specifically, but he played up to 5knl cash or higher online. Mostly plays MTTs now AFAIK. During COOPs/festivals see him grinding almost every day. See him on Sundays, see him on random other days, usually Tues/Thurs. Think I remember him playing some $500 and $1k hyper sngs vs me in the past few years as well

Anyone saying he's not an accomplished HS online player is very wrong. BTW not saying you're wrong (as you're basically agreeing with me and I'm adding info), just speaking in general since I've seen dozens of people not even realize he was an online guy, let alone a long time successful online grinder at HS
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