The vaccines my kids had, and any other kids thier age have had, don't contain any mercury though. It was takin out of all childhood vaccines. There aren't any simple answers here, and comparing symptoms and deciding thats the cause doesn't provide answers either. So far no study has found any definative answers on whats causing autism. I'm hoping with increased funding and awareness that might change soon, even if it doesn't help my kids directly.

This should've been the OP:

Well Arnold-O, I reckon you had your moment of lucidity. "Seriously, come on." Does not constitute a convincing argument sir.

And, not for nothing, but man she is lovely. She was so charming on that show "Singled Out", and such a nice lady. That Jim Carey is a lucky fellow!

Is she autistic?

Her kid is, she has made the rounds on Oprah.. etc with truly poignant stories about how she has gotten him to improve. I wish them every good thing.

eh...I'm still inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt over some poker forum idiots.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5WTa...eature=related

She's objecting to the scheduling and # of vaccinations. The increase in amount of vaccinations correlates to the rise of autism.

One Dr says "which disease do you want your child to get?" if we were to eliminate any of the vaccines. I think this is the point.

Even if the vaccines do lead to autism, this would be represented in a very very small amount of the total # of people taking the vaccines. In which case, death is worse then living with autism IMO = waste of $$ of unnecessary research.

If you choose to believe anectodal evidence over actual scientific ditto, there's something wrong with you. I'm sorry, but there is.

so in conclusion looks like no one knows what is true or not...

what type of research is this charity doing anyway? or are they using the proceeds of the charity to fund ad campaigns against vaccinations?

You seem to be a bit slow. How can this be your conclusion after reading this thread?

Here's the short version for you:

After the original scare study in the Lancet medical journal (which later turned out to have disgustingly bad methodology and a severely biased author), there were massive population studies done in several countries to see if there were actually any causal link. They all came up completely blank.

It's impossible to get any better evidence that vaccination does not cause autism... what more do you want? Jeez.

(But because this falsehood is perpetuated to scare parents away from childhood vaccinations, children are going to die of diseases they did not have to die from. That's why this "charity" is bad.)

Did you get it now?

People who don't understand statistics and science just rubs me the wrong way...

" That course of action is going to harm far more children than it helps."

A) You're not a Dr.
B) You're not a scientist.
C) There are just as many (respectable) studies claiming that vaccines cause MORE harm then they help than that of the opposite

I'm not talking about autism, just vaccines. I'm not saying I"m on either side of the argument, I'm saying that there is NO conclusive evidence either way.

Plenty of studies "prove" that a higher percentage of people who get the flu vaccine actually get the flu than those who didn't get vaccinated. But, the company's and the people they hire to do their independent studies say the opposite.

You can't just pick one and say it's truth, when in fact YOU have no way to know. This poker event is a charity for autism, that's good. The vaccine part, that's unknown.

good + unknown still = good.

So there is no proof for or against? How can this charity be a bad thing?

I do not advocate kids not getting vaccinations and dying.btw

There is proof. Flat earth society level thinking folks that are loving and well-intentioned have spread fears for no reason.

Good+ unknown still= Good Agreed. This is not the case here though.

Lots of fear about doing the right thing for your child+ Fear-mongering GOSSIP= Unnecessary Death and wasted time and money

Btw there IS flu in the flu vaccine, there is no Autism in the MMR vaccine

How anybody can seriously believe there is a link between vaccines and autism to the extent that children should not be vaccinated is beyond me

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...4/ai_101763357

there's a good article, seems to be unbiased. Explains all the arguments against, the debunking and the still unknown.

As far as I can tell, there is not one credible person still saying autism is caused by vaccines. I'm saying that there are still many other problems that can be attributed to them, just not substantiated.

Before you jump on a bandwagon, be sure to try to find out what the actual facts are, as difficult as that may be. Those who speak the loudest aren't always the ones with the clearest judgment, then again, sometimes they are.

You can't compare apples to oranges and try to be conclusive.

Flu is a virus
Autism is a condiditon

There is no nausea in the flu vaccine, as there is no Autism in the MMR vaccine.

Unfortunately, no one knows what causes autism, so there is no direct comparison you can make to flu.

i did not see a definite answer anywhere in this thread...

also i do not think there is one out there yet...

indenting the word 'massive' really doesnt quantify your statement Mr. Statistics and Science....

I agree with OP autistic children have no souls.

I was actually being mildly sarcastic and pointing out the foolishness of your position. You have been persuaded by the position they have taken that "anecdotal evidence is science" which Ms. McCarthy said on Larry King. I can't imagine how anyone can be successful at poker and be that ignorant about probability and statistics. I am sure you are well-intentioned, and I wish you well though! All the best

They have no souls...LOL...wackado.

Science rarely deals in absolutes. The balance of evidence that vaccines have a contributory factor in children developing autism is heavily in the negative.

Now, given time perhaps we will understand more about autism to find out if there is a contributary factor, but right now we just dont know what triggers autism but we do know what causes measles, mumps rubella and all the other diseases that are prevented by these vaccines.

Do you not find it quite telling that all the studies that claim there is a link are discredited as being unscientific and all the studies that claim there is no evidence of a link are considered to be sound.

"C) There are just as many (respectable) studies claiming that vaccines cause MORE harm then they help than that of the opposite.

This is not true at all. List the studies if it is. Here is a list of studies regarding autism and the MMR vaccine, which some in this thread have made similar claims about. http://www.immunize.org/catg.d/p4026.pdf If you are talking about side effects of vaccines overall, please provide evidence they cause as much harm as a smallpox, polio, or diptheria epidemic.



"I'm not talking about autism, just vaccines. I'm not saying I"m on either side of the argument, I'm saying that there is NO conclusive evidence either way."

Yes, there is.



"Plenty of studies "prove" that a higher percentage of people who get the flu vaccine actually get the flu than those who didn't get vaccinated. But, the company's and the people they hire to do their independent studies say the opposite. "

No, there's not. Again, please link to studies. Are you implying people get the flu from the flu vaccine? Because if you are, thats pretty dumb since it's not a live vaccine (flumist is different obv), and thus there's no way to get the flu from it unless it contains an invisible magic flu unicorn or something. If you're implying it's not effective, it's not fool-proof for sure, but please link to studies that show no efficacy, becasue every one I've found shows moderate benefit.

"There is no nausea in the flu vaccine, as there is no Autism in the MMR vaccine."

What does this mean? Does this mean the since the flu causes nausea mmr can cause autism? I understand your point that autism is a syndrome rather than a chemical or microbe, but influenza in a respiratory infection, not a stomach virus. It's pretty tough to take your medical arguements, some of which were about the flu vaccine, seriously when you don't seem to know what the flu is.

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