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07-09-2008 , 06:03 AM
so according to bluff db, kid55 only played 6 tourneys and didnt cash in any of them. interestingly they gave a listing of names that were similar to kid55:
CincyKid55, luckykid55, sidthekid55, and sidthekid555. interested to see if anyone knows anything about these accounts or has any stats from mypokerintel and kid55's mpi stats would be nice to see too.

hunter550 has played 52 tourneys with no big scores.
RussHamilton has no record.
-Fred- has no record.
mamamiya has 26 tourneys, never cashed.
buckskin has no record. his screenshot shows that he did play some tourneys and sngs, maybe they were a long time ago when bluff db wasnt keeping track.
no records for any of the names on ShaqTack acct.

something we havent talked about is the name on the ShaqTack acct, Dan Francis, nothing comes up in Arkansas for him, but if you type 'Dan Francis poker' into google a bunch of stuff comes up for some poker pro from Australia named Daniel Francis. Anyone know anything about this guy? any links to UB?

most likely the account is fake and they just chose a normal sounding name. why would you use your real name for a super user account?
07-09-2008 , 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Devilboy666
I keep thinking of that hissy fit Deeb got in to when the other players in 'High Stakes Poker' jokingly accused him of going south.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pch8X3QypJs
Thought of that too, must more understandable fit now, if its true.
07-09-2008 , 06:06 AM
While it took UB forever to do their investigation of the cheating scandal, it apprently didn't take them long to figure out who brainwash was.
07-09-2008 , 06:08 AM
Also it seems that Russ Hamilton, has been associated with UB management from the beginning and was one of the first "sponsored" players.

http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/3-27-2006-92027.asp

"Champions Russ Hamilton, Annie Duke, Phil Hellmuth, Dave "Devilfish" Ulliott, and Jack McClelland started it all"

"Not only have these poker celebs put their exhaustive collective input into the Ultimate Bet software and operational system and procedures, but they continue to make themselves readily available at the Ultimate Bet site to teach you poker, to improve your game and to give the stout of heart among you a chance to try and win their money"
Published: 3/31/2006
07-09-2008 , 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by PuertoKid
While it took UB forever to do their investigation of the cheating scandal, it apprently didn't take them long to figure out who brainwash was.
no disrespect to brainwash but its not exactly difficult to find out who accessed each of the pages where a screenshot was captured (from a system admin pov).
07-09-2008 , 06:14 AM
Also does anyone remember that old post Samo made in HSNL about his decision to move his play to UB when party locked out Americans. He made this huge case about it being the most secure/safe network because they kept players funds in a Bank of Scotland account. Its pretty sad to look back now.
07-09-2008 , 06:14 AM
wow that quote is priceless: these poker celebs put their exhaustive collective input into the Ultimate Bet software and operational system...to give the stout of heart among you a chance to try and win their money
07-09-2008 , 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by PuertoKid
While it took UB forever to do their investigation of the cheating scandal, it apprently didn't take them long to figure out who brainwash was.
Was there ever a doubt? I wonder if Brainwashed and the ex AP employee that leaked the POTRIPPER tournament hand histories are buried near each other?
07-09-2008 , 06:28 AM
It would be interesting to see Russ Hamiltons Transaction log.
  • Post 600 UB thread Brainwash says- 07-04-2008, 11:40 AM Re: UB Press Release! UB Admits to 20+ months of cheating.Continues to cover up t
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    Originally Posted by brainwashdodo
    Q: why do I have RussHamilton on my UltimateBuddy list by default? Not my buddy. Than if I want to add him again, says failed, buddy does not exist.
  • ^^^^^^Looks as if Hamilton has been "severed from UB ties"
  • So far Hamilton credits Helmuth and Deeb (-$800k only gains $70k -$730k).
  • Helmuth loses to "internet donks" somehow still is in the +$ with all the money he receives from various users (pros and friends including Deeb, Hamilton). Also does not re-deposit or at least log does not show any
  • Helmuth Transfers to Deeb and Hamilton as well as Lyle Berman others
  • "Thunder Keller" Also listed on transaction sheet Thomas Keller?
  • Deeb transfers to ShaqTack (SuperUser) once for 10k as well his many of his other Aka's.
  • Deebs Kid55 is shutdown on feb 6th same day Superuser

Last edited by bluelexus23; 07-09-2008 at 06:35 AM. Reason: spelt superusers name wrong
07-09-2008 , 06:36 AM
Thread definitely needs title changed as this is epic stuff.



Once again proves NVG to be overlord of the internet, this is some deep throat stuff going on here!
07-09-2008 , 06:47 AM
I think it goes without saying that Ultimate Bet is a sham inside and out, as the only way superuser accounts can be proliferated on such a scale is if a number of the top brass are all perpetrating the super user accounts. The integrity of the software itself has to be undermined from it's creation so obviously the software developer/s is in on it aswell. Seems to me that an
unregulated company + millions of dollars at stake + unscrupulous greedy bastards = super user accounts. As for the Absolute Poker's A.J green real name Allan Grimard and Scott Tom, what of their fate? Shouldn't they be facing years in a federal state penitentiary bunking down with Big Dick Bubba but instead they are probably living large on stolen monies. Makes me sick.
07-09-2008 , 06:51 AM
Just checking, but is it possible that those transfers were actually sponsorship money to Deep, Hellmuth and Thomas Keller? As they all were UB sponsored players at some point.
07-09-2008 , 07:04 AM
Nice insider screen shots. Could this be the reason why he doesn't respond anymore? That he got caught?

Last edited by entertainme; 07-09-2008 at 10:41 AM. Reason: user request
07-09-2008 , 07:19 AM
I am not sure why I have this recollection, I either read it in a thread or remember Phil telling Trambo about it when we where playing... But I remember Phil saying something to the effect of "Don't worry, not a cheater, its a well known player, once all the info comes out you'll see he's just really good."

Maybe trambo or someone can comment on that.

It would clearly fall in line with the Deeb connection.
07-09-2008 , 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by bananafromtheblock
Just checking, but is it possible that those transfers were actually sponsorship money to Deep, Hellmuth and Thomas Keller? As they all were UB sponsored players at some point.
Yes. I think that's what they are, and why people shouldn't go crazy implicating everybody Russ Hamilton's giving money to.

Of course, that would also mean UB admins, out of the same account they're paying their endorsers, gave $10,000 to a superuser account. Oh, UB, what a swell business venture you have going...
07-09-2008 , 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by PowerTime
I think it goes without saying that Ultimate Bet is a sham inside and out, as the only way superuser accounts can be proliferated on such a scale is if a number of the top brass are all perpetrating the super user accounts. The integrity of the software itself has to be undermined from it's creation so obviously the software developer/s is in on it aswell. Seems to me that an
unregulated company + millions of dollars at stake + unscrupulous greedy bastards = super user accounts. As for the Absolute Poker's A.J green real name Allan Grimard and Scott Tom, what of their fate? Shouldn't they be facing years in a federal state penitentiary bunking down with Big Dick Bubba but instead they are probably living large on stolen monies. Makes me sick.


I really dont think anyone doubts that people extremely high up in UB are the ones behind this scam.

But heres a question I haven't seen answered, Are the UB and AP super-user groups the same people or two different factions?

Also this UB super-user scandal is reaching an epic scale could this mean that the number of AP super-users is vastly underestimated?
07-09-2008 , 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Jourdain
Nice insider screen shots, but I think he made a mistake. On all but one screen shot he blurred out a name or an account-name. Could this be the reason why he doesn't respond anymore? That he got caught?
Can't find said screen shot.

Some moderately identifiable information in the task bar in the first screen shot though.

Since https://admin.ultimatebet.com does not accept remote connections I can only presume that this screenshot has been taken on a computer inside the UB network.

Also, the presence of a RealVNC icon in the taskbar is kind of worrying. This has to be like the most insecure screen-sharing software on the planet. I shudder to think of what other security holes they have in their network. No wonder they are riddled with super-users.
07-09-2008 , 07:40 AM
To state the obvious, let's not help UB out if they still by some chance don't know who this is. Jourdain, I don't see anything, but maybe edit your post and PM him/her instead?
07-09-2008 , 07:40 AM
holy **** this is epic
07-09-2008 , 07:41 AM
This is pretty crazy stuff.

How do we know that this stuff hasn't happened (or isn't happening) on Pokerstars or FullTilt? Those sites are much better run in general and if they were to do it, it seems as though they would be much smoother about going unnoticed. I mean it's obvious that people high up in the pokersites have the ability to see whole cards, so why shouldn't there be greedy people high up on pokerstars and/or fulltilt?
07-09-2008 , 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by reductionist
Can't find said screen shot.

Some moderately identifiable information in the task bar in the first screen shot though.

Since https://admin.ultimatebet.com does not accept remote connections I can only presume that this screenshot has been taken on a computer inside the UB network.

Also, the presence of a RealVNC icon in the taskbar is kind of worrying. This has to be like the most insecure screen-sharing software on the planet. I shudder to think of what other security holes they have in their network. No wonder they are riddled with super-users.
edit: you are right mersenarry, privacy reasons.
07-09-2008 , 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by bananafromtheblock
Just checking, but is it possible that those transfers were actually sponsorship money to Deep, Hellmuth and Thomas Keller? As they all were UB sponsored players at some point.
So they ship Sponsorship money to each other, in the sums of hundreds of thousands of dollars? Wouldn't a transaction where UB gave the players sponsorship money say UB transfer sponsor or admin sponsor rather then this. Why would players transfer their sponsor money to each other? Rather then UB paying them out

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643750713 -102000.00 Transfer To buckskin 2007-FEB-27 08:29:21 PM customer req
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641805746 118000.00 Transfer From RussHamilton 2007-FEB-26 04:31:51 PM customer req
Since UB has tracked every transaction the players have made according to the logs. (Buys-ins, Cash outs from tables, Money Transfers to and from Withdrawl Funds from site) Im sure they would also track the money given to the players into their poker accounts for being sponsored as well. I would assume that UB Wires their Sponsorship money to their bank accounts like direct deposit for any job. Rather then have it be paid by fellow endorsed players...
07-09-2008 , 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by scottydog25
How do we know that this stuff hasn't happened (or isn't happening) on Pokerstars or FullTilt? Those sites are much better run in general and if they were to do it, it seems as though they would be much smoother about going unnoticed. I mean it's obvious that people high up in the pokersites have the ability to see whole cards, so why shouldn't there be greedy people high up on pokerstars and/or fulltilt?
Howard Leaderer said in a PokerRoad interview the other day that the game "state" is kept in memory in the FTP systems, as opposed to being kept on disk (in a database) like at UB/AP. He claimed at the time that this isolates hole card information until the hand is complete and the hand history is written to the database.

Personally I was no more convinced of FTP's security after hearing this, as there must be some interface for requesting the game state information from memory. Even if it's significantly harder to get at than a database holding game state, it would still be possible to retrieve this information if you had intimate knowledge of the system architecture.

Having said all that. I actually have complete trust in FTP and Stars that they have their security under control and that the people running those companies can be trusted also.
07-09-2008 , 07:56 AM
Could a moderator edit my post, 264. I sent a PM with the story to brainwash. Don't want to compromise his privacy.
07-09-2008 , 07:59 AM
PURE SPECULATION, but:

I have been thinking about the recurrence of certain components of the suspected and known superuser names-- the recurring "kid," "55," and there might be others, i forget.

It occurred to me that there is no reason for one person to use such similar screen names--that one person, acting alone, could simply remember his current screenname, jot it down, or whatever. However, several people working together as superusuers in various cities, and opening and closing accounts to avoid suspicion would need to know who to stay away from at the tables, and these recurring elements in the screennames would serve as a simple and effective code to other superusers to not play against them.

is this ridiculously obvious and everybody else is just taking this purpose of the recurring elements in the screen names for granted?

This theory, coupled with the fact that KID seem to be Freddy Deeb's initials and 55 seems to be his birth year makes me highly suspicious that he may have been involved.

People in this thread are being very cautious about coming out and accusing anybody by name, and I applaud that sense of responsibility, but I honestly believe that if I were still a prosecutor and I had jurisdiction I could seek and obtain a grand jury indictment of Freddy Deeb on the evidence compiled in all of these threads.

This is getting really, really interesting, and I am absolutely in awe of the quality of the investigation that 2+2ers have conducted in both the AP and UB scandals.

      
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