Pepe Silvia vibes itt

Agree to an extent. Going off the rails with thoughts and speculations on why and what happened months ago.

But also what I see is that a man bumps 2 $5k chips after looking at them. Scoops them up to the bottom of his stack without further looking at them after looking at them originally, then says nothing of the two chips when asked minutes later about mike x stack being short $10k. This is a man who seemingly never misses anything at the table. Yet he forgets this? The reddit post is pretty damning if you haven’t read it. Not the original post, the top comment with time stamps and his actions before and after.

Just wait till a month from now when this thread is 800 pages long and 1/4 of the posts are exactly like this, but meant to be taken seriously.

He doesn't say nothing - he automatically says for them to check the vision which he knows at that point the gig was up when Mike noticed that they were missing. He was hoping that he wouldn't notice it at all but if he did he'd decide to play dumb and just wash his hands of any immediate knowledge himself and bring in a 3rd party source. And I mean if Mike didn't have AAs at that point that he realises he is 10k short and playing the hand I'm pretty sure he would make a bigger issue of it.

He said nothing of bumping to chips and absorbing them. He made some reference to a pot?

did you see the title of the original post when you clicked on it?

We'll never know on this one if there was intent or not.

For sure his eyes looked directly at the two chips as he scooped them in, but chip shuffling and many other thoughts and physical actions at a poker table are on auto-pilot, so perhaps
he saw the two chips in his peripheral vision, looked down and automatically and subconsciously assumed they had slipped from the stacks that he was riffling.

It is impossible to tell if it was that that happened, or if it was an opportunist theft.

So this guy who plays for hundreds of thousands on a regular basis in some of the softest games ever is going to risk it all for 10k?

So, a freeroll

Kleptomania - is a mental health disorder that involves repeatedly being unable to resist urges to steal items that you generally don't really need


IF Andy is stealing, it may not be financially motivated.

He got caught. If he were actually risking it all as you claim that would have had meaningful consequences. It didn't so either you knew your claim was a lie or are so foolish you were unaware it was untrue.

Kinda looks like it. What a dumb question

Martha Stuart is prob innocent to you as well

I'm not sure what your point is, but if it helps clarify anything, I'm not an NVG mod.

Stewart

In underground games, I've seen the exact eye/hand animation combo of shuffling stolen chips from a neighbor player. I've even let bad regs do it against me as a test (with substantially lower chips). You're a bitch if you haven't seen it first-hand or haven't allowed a ****** neighbor to do it.

This was definitely intentional, prolly 20 years of experience doing this as well.
Its like one of those thieves who just cant help themselves if they see an opportunity. It was obviously a reflex action , if he had time to think he'd know it's too risky. Live poker for you guys , littered with scumbags.

"Definitely" is a strong word, and you should probably be careful about making outright accusations of theft on a public forum, but your hypothesis is possible.

I do agree with you that live poker has a lot of bad people in it, I've always thought that it is about 80% bad and 20% good. I'm applying this to cash game regs or semi-regs,
not to cash game occasional players or recs, nor am I applying it to tournament players, where the mix is more similar to that of general society.

N.B. When I say "bad" people, I mean bad people within the poker sphere, many of these bad people may well be good people when they are doing things outside of poker and in
general day to day non poker playing life.

Why? You think Andy is going to sue him? Yea right. He can say whatever he wants. I had a chip taken from me on camera like this. Took security a while but they figured it out. It’s an old school scam, you shuffle your chips on top of theirs and now it’s hard to tell that the person has extra chips in their shuffle stack

I’ve also had my neighbor take $200 in cash off of my stack. Security caught him and I got my money back

First time, dude left before security came. Second time, they found him still on property and he said he did it on accident.

Yea right.

Being sued is always a possibility, more so in the USA, which is a more litigious society than most other countries.

The consensus ITT is much more likely that he did it deliberately than not, just very difficult to prove.

A way to prove it, if it was deliberate, is to find other footage, if it exists, of him doing the same or similar thing, multiple times.

Or put your money where your mouth is and take Andy's bet and pay for his polygraph and you can prove it that way if you're so sure.

ITT people who try to steal money and think everyone else is doing the same thing.

Polygraphs are not proven to be reliable, and I am not saying he is guilty, I am saying that the consensus ITT leans towards him being guilty.

I have no opinion on whether Andy did what he's accused of doing here or not, but people need to drop this notion that polygraphs have any merit.

Polygraphs are more than just unproven, they're proven to be unreliable to the point of near uselessness. I remember someone posting stats in one of the Robbi threads that polygraph results are false-positive or false-negative something like 30% of the time. You can also learn methods to increase your chances of a 'no deception' result.

I don't know why an innocent person would ever want to take a lie detector test if they're only being judged by public opinion. I know if I were being accused of something I didn't do, I would never in a million years want to take some test that could mistakenly say that I'm guilty.

He is guilty. He took $10k in chips from another player. A count proved he took them. He returned the chips because it was proven he took them. His argument is but I did it accidentally not that he didn't take them. Seems strange how if it was an accident he never accidentally loses $10k in chips. When you always profit from your "accidents" requires a real fool to believe your story.