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Old 12-13-2014, 06:30 PM   #176
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Re: Amaya offices raided by Federal Police in Montreal

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When he said "your balances are safe", I assume he means more or less as safe as they were before this happened, and I'd agree.


No, it doesn't. First of all, the stock dropping means nothing. Absolutely nothing. Secondly, this doesn't appear to be the scary raid some people thought it was. But even if we assume that it was a raid that could imply potential trouble down the road, that's far from a "negative freeroll", unless I'm misunderstanding the term. Wouldn't a negative freeroll be a situation where there is only risk and no chance of gain?


Perhaps he's using logic and Stars' history to support his judgment.


Sure, which covers a lot of things said on these forums. But I don't think that accurately describes his judgment.

Regardless, that's not the statement you made that I was questioning. Your statement was that if he hadn't predicted the trouble with Full Tilt and warned everyone about it, his assessment was worthless - unquestionably a ridiculous statement.
Lol its over bro, give it up!

Once the Mounties lock up Baazov and his cronies the Amayastars gravy train dries up for you and 2+2

Lets face it you need these corrupt game destroyers to support your website (lol books) and now that the criminals are finally getting what they deserve your ****ting you're pants

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Old 12-13-2014, 07:24 PM   #177
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Yes
This is semantic, but I feel it's worthy of clearing up.

The RCMP isn't really anything like the FBI or DOJ.

At the most basic level, the RCMP are just your regular old cops - however most cities and fair sized towns have their own local police force, and the RCMP doesn't generally do any police work in these jurisdictions. So the RCMP are responsible for small town law enforcement, things like speeding tickets and domestic disturbances.

Now, once we go above the basic police enforcement level, most provinces in Canada have their own department which would be closer to what is the FBI in the US. Here where I live in Alberta, we have the Alberta Serious Incident Response Team (ASIRT).

Once, you step outside of provincial jurisdiction though, you go back to the RCMP at the federal level, where they do things that would be similar to what the DOJ is responsible for.

Hopefully this clears it up for some people
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Old 12-13-2014, 08:20 PM   #178
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I don't give a **** what any one thinks or speculates I have been advised to remove any considerable funds from this site by my brokerage house until this is clarified in Canadian law. I suggest you do the same. Any raid by any regulatory body should be taken very seriously.
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Old 12-13-2014, 08:48 PM   #179
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I don't give a **** what any one thinks or speculates I have been advised to remove any considerable funds from this site by my brokerage house until this is clarified in Canadian law. I suggest you do the same. Any raid by any regulatory body should be taken very seriously.
Exactly. Unlike black friday where there was no warning, this is a clear indication of whats to come. Sorry but anyone who loses a large sum of money if black friday happens again deserves it for being naive and not protecting themselves. It been pretty damn clear with all the changes recently nobody cares about poker players anymore. Would you keep your money in a bank that changed ownership, immediately raised fees, screwed over every type of long standing account, announced future changes to come and than again was raided by the police. Not trying to beat a dead horse but enough is enough. . The people on the gravy train are being peeled back real quick. I don't wish harm on any of u guys but wake the f up

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Old 12-13-2014, 08:48 PM   #180
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Lol its over bro, give it up!

Once the Mounties lock up Baazov and his cronies the Amayastars gravy train dries up for you and 2+2

Lets face it you need these corrupt game destroyers to support your website (lol books) and now that the criminals are finally getting what they deserve your ****ting you're pants

Gg 2+2
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Old 12-13-2014, 09:25 PM   #181
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Would you keep your money in a bank that changed ownership, immediately raised fees, screwed over every type of long standing account, announced future changes to come and than again was raided by the police.
Sounds Familiar
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Old 12-13-2014, 09:35 PM   #182
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I withdrew my roll there, its money I can't afford to loose even if its not a huge amount. With the recent changes at stars and now this I'll be finding a new site to play on. I loved stars and been a player there for the past 6 years
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Old 12-13-2014, 11:16 PM   #183
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Another thing to mention if it hasn't been mentioned, is Quebec is one of the Provinces that has regulated online govt. poker. Could have more interest than normal in this.
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Old 12-14-2014, 01:50 AM   #184
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Well, this is just the beginning, if they look further they will find much more wrongdoing....I have been wondering if I should help AMF or not with more info....still don't know..Amaya really pissed me off, maybe I will...
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Old 12-14-2014, 01:53 AM   #185
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Well, this is just the beginning, if they look further they will find much more wrongdoing....I have been wondering if I should help AMF or not with more info....still don't know..Amaya really pissed me off, maybe I will...
here we go ladies and gentlemen, the privateworld of the corporate world has graced us with his presence
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Old 12-14-2014, 02:54 AM   #186
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You just been called out son. BJsmith calling you a chump; over the internet so you know its realz.
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Old 12-14-2014, 02:57 AM   #187
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in b4 superuser scandalz.
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Old 12-14-2014, 03:18 AM   #188
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Well, this is just the beginning, if they look further they will find much more wrongdoing....I have been wondering if I should help AMF or not with more info....still don't know..Amaya really pissed me off, maybe I will...
I'm not sure that you telling the authorities that your aces got busted is going to take down Amaya.
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Old 12-14-2014, 03:47 AM   #189
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Why does it have to be french Canadians? It's Federal, not provincial.
My bad. The article said, "Autorité des Marchés Financiers, which regulates Quebec’s financial markets," which I took to mean provincial. Plus, you know, it has a French name.
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Old 12-14-2014, 05:30 AM   #190
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Here is where you can direct your enquiries:
http://www.lautorite.qc.ca/en/press-...014-conso.html
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Old 12-14-2014, 11:14 AM   #191
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Looks like owners who sold stars to amaya knew this was on its way, sold cheap and amaya milking stars till **** hits the fan

No way in the world amaya spends that amount $ without knowing this was on its way

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Old 12-14-2014, 11:37 AM   #192
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Is stars still mostly run from Isle of man or has it centralized in Canada?
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Old 12-14-2014, 11:43 AM   #193
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Looks like owners who sold stars to amaya knew this was on its way, sold cheap and amaya milking stars till **** hits the fan

No way in the world amaya spends that amount $ without knowing this was on its way

ftp2?
lol, this story doesn't happen if amaya didn't buy stars. what you are claiming makes 0% sense with what we know up to now.

this is about people using private information about the acquisition to make money. It's illegal but happens often. When the people using the information are idiots and make it obvious an investigation is opened. According to the information we have no charges have been filed against the company, nor the key executives. This might happen in the future, but we don't know that at this point.

I think it's most likely at this point that since Amaya was such a small company before the acquisition some employees figured out something big was happening and didn't realize into how much trouble they could get if they told friends & family, and word traveled. Obv that's just random guessing.



Or maybe nothing illegal happened and really smart stock software figured out something was up .


EDIT: Do we have access to major shareholders on 01/01/2014 vs major shareholders the day before the acquisition? Would be very interesting to see what changed .
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Old 12-14-2014, 12:45 PM   #194
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Re: Amaya offices raided by Federal Police in Montreal

I was in Montreal a few months ago to play a tournament series that was sponsored by Stars. Stars pulled out and took their name off the series. They never did explain why but I imagine it had something to do with the pending acquisition by Amaya but why would they not want to have any live tournaments in Canada if they were buying an online poker site? Is there some sort of legal issue?
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Old 12-14-2014, 01:33 PM   #195
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^^ yes.

PokerStars is involved in discussions with Loto-Quebec, the government organization running the only "legal" online poker room in Quebec, Espacejeux.

However, Espacejeux is a mess. Low traffic, crappy software from 10 years ago, and a lot more.

There is a strong possibility that operating licences will be given by Espacejeux, making it legal for PokerStars to operate within Quebec (paying taxes here obv).

The Playground Poker Club is in Kahnawake, which operates strong competition to the legal casinos of the province managed by Loto-Quebec. Loto-Quebec considers the Playground illegal.

Therefore, PokerStars being involved in an "illegal" live event in Kahnawake while negociating it's "legal" entry with a licence in the province made no sense. That's why they cancelled their sponsorship.
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Old 12-14-2014, 01:48 PM   #196
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^^ yes.

PokerStars is involved in discussions with Loto-Quebec, the government organization running the only "legal" online poker room in Quebec, Espacejeux.

However, Espacejeux is a mess. Low traffic, crappy software from 10 years ago, and a lot more.

There is a strong possibility that operating licences will be given by Espacejeux, making it legal for PokerStars to operate within Quebec (paying taxes here obv).

The Playground Poker Club is in Kahnawake, which operates strong competition to the legal casinos of the province managed by Loto-Quebec. Loto-Quebec considers the Playground illegal.

Therefore, PokerStars being involved in an "illegal" live event in Kahnawake while negociating it's "legal" entry with a licence in the province made no sense. That's why they cancelled their sponsorship.
Thanks for this. It makes sense...also explains why Stars wouldn't give any details as to why at the time.
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Old 12-14-2014, 02:47 PM   #197
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I don't give a **** what any one thinks or speculates I have been advised to remove any considerable funds from this site by my brokerage house until this is clarified in Canadian law. I suggest you do the same. Any raid by any regulatory body should be taken very seriously.
But any advice you get is going to be cautious or you sue them for advice etc..

Stars funds are segregated etc..
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Old 12-14-2014, 03:25 PM   #198
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Looks like owners who sold stars to amaya knew this was on its way, sold cheap and amaya milking stars till **** hits the fan

No way in the world amaya spends that amount $ without knowing this was on its way

ftp2?
I have two questions:

1) What are you smoking ?
2) Where can I get that **** ?
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Old 12-14-2014, 03:38 PM   #199
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The officials must have gotten their information by playing live poker.

That is how they found the information to take down PS the first time.


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Old 12-14-2014, 04:01 PM   #200
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But any advice you get is going to be cautious or you sue them for advice etc..

Stars funds are segregated etc..
Maybe, it was more to do with the freezing of accounts in any investigation.
I think i will stay on the conservative side and see how this one pans out from the rail.
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