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Allegations of Cheating in WSOP 10k HU Allegations of Cheating in WSOP 10k HU

06-04-2015 , 02:43 PM
There was a bloke on the FT of the $1500 LHE that Marchese finished 2nd in who had big huge magnifying glass.He hovered it over the community cards all the time.Now this guy was old,at least 65? He even misread the board on the hand Marchese felted him on.
Just coincidence reading this and same day a bloke with a magnifying glass the size of a bin lid made a FT(this bloke was a modern day Mr Mcgoo tho,)

Last edited by 1.01; 06-04-2015 at 02:52 PM. Reason: 2nd isnt 1st ldo
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06-04-2015 , 02:48 PM
Pretty sure security cameras have the technology to see invisible ink. Similar to the red "boxes" for lack of a better word that cards are put into during a shoe of blackjack.
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06-04-2015 , 02:50 PM
Wug thoughts on a universal poker blacklist? Seems silly to ban cheaters only from casinos they cheated in...
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06-04-2015 , 02:53 PM
hmm, I guess there are a lot of ways to mark playing cards, just at the end of last year there was a player in Norway who got caught for marking the playing decks during tournaments in a few different clubs, where he marked all card 10s to Aces with a mark from his fingernails at different places on the cards to indacate their value.
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06-04-2015 , 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by SickerThanYoAvg
Wug thoughts on a universal poker blacklist? Seems silly to ban cheaters only from casinos they cheated in...
problem is often times "cheaters" are just players the casino didnt like.
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06-04-2015 , 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by DarkMattersMan
Why so offended by my post? I suggested that its quite possible the dealer and he could have been colluding somehow.
Congrats with your 'stupidest post itt' remark. Really cool stuff.
FFS.

Last edited by binksy; 06-04-2015 at 02:59 PM. Reason: kevmode
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06-04-2015 , 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by RickySteve
I'm sure you realize QQ is not the worst hand he can turn over.
Good grief.
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06-04-2015 , 03:01 PM
In the movie Focus with Will Smith, they showed a poker game where a guy had special contacts to read the dye on marked cards. It's a good thing he had it, or else he might've folded his quad 9s to the other guy's boat.
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06-04-2015 , 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by RickySteve
I'm sure you realize QQ is not the worst hand he can turn over.
I'm not sure if you're nitpicking over .18% equity or you see something I don't. Care to elaborate?
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06-04-2015 , 03:01 PM
Will be surprised if WSOP takes any action, way easier for them to brush it off and say no sufficient evidence.

Hope I'm wrong though.
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06-04-2015 , 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by enzet
K5o hand is whatever, remember what kind of calls potripper made on that tournament instead of just making the right decisions in key spots and make a good living forever. (or at least a couple of month.)
That's the point. If you can't find a more clear cut example then just stick with the rest of the evidence.
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06-04-2015 , 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by aaronmermel

1) Val limps button. I 3x out of bb with K2cc. Flop Aj3sdc. I lead 1/3rd. He asks to see my stack. I lift my arms to show him. He raises me 3x my bet. I tank for a while here because he is repping nothing but decide to move on and he snap flips over 47hh. Nh sir.
sophisticated cheater described (known across europe, using system undetectable upon initial inspection) would NEVER do this.
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06-04-2015 , 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by limon
sophisticated cheater described (known across europe, using system undetectable upon initial inspection) would NEVER do this.
Why not? Surely it might lead to his opponent getting frustrated and maybe 3betting spots like this in the future which would lead to him winning bigger pots?
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06-04-2015 , 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by limon
sophisticated cheater described (known across europe, using system undetectable upon initial inspection) would NEVER do this.
how can you say this with such certainty? Doesn't showing here make him look less suspicious?

If this happened to one of you guys, whatever.

The fact that it happened to all 3 and you each noticed very similar things is extremely suspicious.
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06-04-2015 , 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by aaronmermel
......Some hands that stood out

1) Val limps button. I 3x out of bb with K2cc. Flop Aj3sdc. I lead 1/3rd. He asks to see my stack. I lift my arms to show him. He raises me 3x my bet. I tank for a while here because he is repping nothing but decide to move on and he snap flips over 47hh. Nh sir.

2) I limp button with 62hh. Val checks. Flop Q62r. I bet half, he 4xes me. I call and he seems completely perplexed. Makes sense if you know I don't have a q and rarely 66 or 22. He ends up giving up on the turn but obviously that stood out to me.

3) My bustout hand. He limps button. I rip A2 for 20bb. He does this thing where he moves around a bit to look at me, my cards? In this spot I really felt he was looking directly at my cards. After some hesitation he called with Aten and gg.

4) My most embarrassing hand of the match. Val limps button. I check behind with K7off. Flop AQ7xxx. Chk. Chk. Turn 6. Ck. Ck. River 2. I check. He bets 3k into 4k I go to call and accidentally through in a 5k chip almost simultaneously as I said call but I believe the chips hit the table first as it stood it was a raise to 7k and I didn't fight it. Val snap clicks back to 18k, won't try to justify it here but I called here with the nut 7 pair. He ends up having q3 here which is either a super solid value bet or someone who is positive I don't have an Ace or Q in that spot and only is marginally worried about the two pair combos of 7s, 6s, and 2s.

Obviously there's more from me and others but that's what I have for now.
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These don't seem to stand out too much for him cheating

Last hand he could of easily picked up on your accidental raise IMO
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06-04-2015 , 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by mark100net
If anything this evidence would seem to be in the accused's favor. Why take a 20BB flip in a game where you have the edge brought by being able to 'see' the cards?
You're making the assumption that, because he's (allegedly) cheating, he's cheating on every hand. If the theory is true that he is marking key cards (probably aces, kings, maybe queens), then he wouldn't know he's up against 33, only that the other guy doesn't have an A, K or Q. This narrows the other guy's range considerably. Villain now just has a simple(r) math problem.

...dan
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06-04-2015 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by dankness3
how can you say this with such certainty? Doesn't showing here make him look less suspicious?

If this happened to one of you guys, whatever.

The fact that it happened to all 3 and you each noticed very similar things is extremely suspicious.
As a convicted/known cheater he's not going to show evidence that makes the opponent wonder if he's cheating...
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06-04-2015 , 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by aaronmermel
He asks to see my stack. I lift my arms to show him.
at least he has a counter strategy if he cannot see cards at first.
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06-04-2015 , 03:19 PM
IDK enough about how card markers work.

Do they typically mark every card? Or do they only mark certain cards (eg Broadway cards).
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06-04-2015 , 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by handbag86
Why not? Surely it might lead to his opponent getting frustrated and maybe 3betting spots like this in the future which would lead to him winning bigger pots?
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Originally Posted by dankness3
how can you say this with such certainty? Doesn't showing here make him look less suspicious?

If this happened to one of you guys, whatever.

The fact that it happened to all 3 and you each noticed very similar things is extremely suspicious.
no. if you have a cheat which allows you to win 100% of HU matches you're a rosy ass mf'er. you slide quietly forward with a smile on your face. you NEVER draw any attention to yourself or are confrontational in any way (or you get what we have here, not good for business). you show winners, you convince your egomaniac opponent youre just running like god.

its possible that he is an amateur cheat, messy, but thats not how he was described at first.
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06-04-2015 , 03:25 PM
imagine 2 of this marking inking guys play each other, so many inks and bends on every cards turns the action to street poker at its finest.
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06-04-2015 , 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by 2scared2fold
Hello everybody, I have been playing with this guy 3-4 times a week for 5-6 weeks in Prague, CZ about a year ago. At first we played PLO $2/$2 (50/50 CZK) with multiple straddles on, offen plaing over 24 hours sessions and this guy run crazy hot. He played very strange, making horrible getins, playing almost every hand, gambling a lot so we though he is the fish on a heater. He was the biggest winner most of the time, but imo this was based on his unbelievable luck (winning 1-2 outs on the turn many times etc). When no big games were running he played $0,5/$1 (10/20 CZK) where he gambled like crazy. He lost big most of the times there, though I remember session where he won over 25 BIs - 50K CZK ($2k).

Strange things started to happen when we switched to NLH $2/$4( 50/100CZK). He run over the tables every time we played, winning big every time, playing extremly strange. I remember many hands I lost to him. He was known to make sick big/overpot value bets with weak top/second pairs in spots his line did not make sense at all so he was getting paid by worst many times. Everytime ace or king was on the flop he puts you to the ultimate test on his triple barrel bluffs, x/r rivers. He got caught sometimes by some 3rd pair, showing two random cards.
Games were usually pretty deep - about 400bb so you can imagine how hard it is to play agains this type of style which at that time seemed completely random but extremely successful at the same time.
He was taking time on every decision he made, asking players how much they have left multiple times during the hand - force them to show him their stack and cards most of the time too.

After 3 huge winning sessions in a row (winning over $4k @2/4 everytime) he was escorted from the casino right in the middle of the next session and banned in all casinos in Prague he ever played in. We have got info from casino manager he was bending Aces and Kings which explain presure he was putting on people on ace or king high boards. To this date I find this explanation incomplete and I am pretty sure there is something more to it.
If we only had time to use this info agains him and get our money back
First post in 4 1/2 years? Not bad.

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not exactly sure if I believe you though.
Have nothing to doubt you, so I'm going with true
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06-04-2015 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by UCBananaboy
IDK enough about how card markers work.

Do they typically mark every card? Or do they only mark certain cards (eg Broadway cards).
From what has been posted so far ITT especially aarons post it would seem that if villain was cheating he at least marked queens through aces in a manner which he could distinguish between them. He did not mark twos through sixes (as he raised aarons bet on Q62). So I'm guessing broadways only.

That would explain his hesitance with AT when he knew you held an ace, being the only hand you could have that was ahead was AJ.

In general I would imagine knowing broadway cards in hold em would be enough of an advantage to win.
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06-04-2015 , 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by limon
no. if you have a cheat which allows you to win 100% of HU matches you're a rosy ass mf'er. you slide quietly forward with a smile on your face. you NEVER draw any attention to yourself or are confrontational in any way (or you get what we have here, not good for business). you show winners, you convince your egomaniac opponent youre just running like god.
player described being banned from many casinos in eastern europe would lend credence to the theory that he's not a sophisticated cheater
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06-04-2015 , 03:35 PM
Devil's advocate here and I'm sure I will get blasted for this but whatever:


Two end boss poker players that are friends get knocked out of a 10k hu by some random guy they have never heard of. They talk about their bad beats and do some research on him and find out he has cheated in the past and assume he cheated them. Not saying this did or didn't happen but it's not fair to assume this guy is guilty of cheating without any evidence.



On my phone so apologize for my terrible grammar.
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