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Allegations of Cheating in WSOP 10k HU Allegations of Cheating in WSOP 10k HU

06-04-2015 , 09:20 AM
Chipgate 2: Cardgate
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06-04-2015 , 09:20 AM
Curious to hear if his opponents noticed him regularly touching his hair or scratching behind his ear or anywhere else that a source spot for the ink could be?
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06-04-2015 , 09:23 AM
Shouldn't be hard to catch him...just check the pipes for his hotel toilet. Probably ink and sunglasses
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06-04-2015 , 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by blanconegro
His next opponent, Keith Lehr, was also warned about Coca. At this point, Coca probably knew that he had been exposed based on the attention his matches were receiving from the floor, the way Byron and Keith were protecting their hands so well, ect ect. He finally lost to Keith in 5th place.
Check out these two pics of Keith vs Coca in their match. Look at Keith's hands...Clearly covering his hole cards entirely with his hands and giving the suspect stare right at Coca. Probably a good move by him even if Coca had already suspected they were onto him and had ceased with the marking. If he covers his cards quickly enough when they come off the deck then its much tougher for Coca to figure out what he has (obviously). Smart move by Keith, and good job on letting him know about this guy. I hope he not only gets banned but arrested and locked up. Seems obvious he's guilty.


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06-04-2015 , 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by bpb
Unless of course they aren't labeled as to which table used them.
We're talking about the WSOP.
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06-04-2015 , 09:25 AM
If the guy is smart, he's out of the U.S. already. What can be done at this point? I'm sure he blew any chance of ever returning to the U.S. without fear of being arrested on arrival. I guess that's fine for him but his name will go on some blacklist and any tournament that he registers for that is WSOP, EPT, WPT, or anything legitimate and not some minor donkament, will hopefully get flagged. So he pretty much burned himself for any major poker score ever again unless he gets fake ID and changes his identify well enough.

I feel horrible for the guys who lost to him or more accurately got cheated by him but it's shocking more idiots don't try the ink thing.

What would be the legal penalty of doing this in the U.S.? Is this something that would be jail time?
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06-04-2015 , 09:27 AM
Check out Keith!
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06-04-2015 , 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by mrducks
What would be the legal penalty of doing this in the U.S.? Is this something that would be jail time?
We're talking about poker.
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06-04-2015 , 09:29 AM
I wonder if they had grounds to withhold the $54,545 payout or did he pick it up?
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06-04-2015 , 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by UCBananaboy
Curious to hear if his opponents noticed him regularly touching his hair or scratching behind his ear or anywhere else that a source spot for the ink could be?
Yea defo this.

Thinking about it, you would want to get the ink from something in between hands that appears normal. Checking your phone, scratching hair, going into wallet to pay for drink or something along those lines. A phone would actually be a close to perfect device for it given that you have to touch the screen with your finger tips and it's reflective and wouldn't allow the ink to dry.
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06-04-2015 , 09:36 AM
Keith Lehr has been banned from casinos for cheating.
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06-04-2015 , 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by bpb
Aren't all cards used in a game kept and stored for some amount of time? Seems evidence of marking should be easy to detect on those. Unless of course they aren't labeled as to which table used them.

Another possibility, especially if a new brand of cards is being used, is slight defects in the card backings. His early delays could have been when he was memorizing marks on the cards introduced during the manufacturing of the cards. Think Phil Ivey's edge sorting
Guy who played him mentioned invisible ink picked up by sunglasses don't know if this is in the realm of possibility though.
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06-04-2015 , 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by RickySteve
Keith Lehr has been banned from casinos for cheating.
Russ G RIP had a real hardon for him
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06-04-2015 , 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by RickySteve
Keith Lehr has been banned from casinos for cheating.
Really? Can you elaborate on that please? Never heard of him before.
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06-04-2015 , 10:20 AM
From the late Russ Georgiev on rec.gambling.poker:

http://www.pokerfied.com/poker/Keith...ce_588757.html
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06-04-2015 , 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by CzechFold
Yeah the bending would seem more doable - if the ink was all over his hands it would be tough to mark the cards in a way where he would then recognize them afterwards. Just seems like it would be tough for him to only touch certain cards, but wtf do I know.
????

Have ink on one or two finger tips, look at your cards, then touch cards with inked fingers in "correct" spot to mark whatever that card is
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06-04-2015 , 10:25 AM
I'd say that the likelihood that this person was using ink to mark cards is very slim.

Why do that when bending them is much easier to explain away?

Bending/nail marking would also seem match the weird card mannerisms that this person was seen to display.
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06-04-2015 , 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by BleetBleetImaSheep
I'd say that the likelihood that this person was using ink to mark cards is very slim.

Why do that when bending them is much easier to explain away?

Bending/nail marking would also seem match the weird card mannerisms that this person was seen to display.
Because its easier to notice a bend or nail mark on a card than ink.

Also he doesn't have to explain anything if he doesn't plan on getting caught.
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06-04-2015 , 10:35 AM
I'm curious how it works with casino security, gaming commission and law enforcement. If they suspect someone is using a device can the casino conduct a search of that person or do they need law enforcement to do it? Ie floor or other casino rep asking to see his sun glasses.
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06-04-2015 , 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by mrducks
If the guy is smart, he's out of the U.S. already. What can be done at this point? I'm sure he blew any chance of ever returning to the U.S. without fear of being arrested on arrival. I guess that's fine for him but his name will go on some blacklist and any tournament that he registers for that is WSOP, EPT, WPT, or anything legitimate and not some minor donkament, will hopefully get flagged. So he pretty much burned himself for any major poker score ever again unless he gets fake ID and changes his identify well enough.

I feel horrible for the guys who lost to him or more accurately got cheated by him but it's shocking more idiots don't try the ink thing.

What would be the legal penalty of doing this in the U.S.? Is this something that would be jail time?
Not sure if this would fall under statutes around casino cheating or general criminal statutes around theft

Technically he didn't cheat casino but cheated other players, but same answer for both (according to my personal attorney at Google, Google, and Bing).

Class B Felony: 1-10 years and Up to $10K fine

#freecurly

but

#dontfreethishcheat

Last edited by PTLou; 06-04-2015 at 10:41 AM.
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06-04-2015 , 10:40 AM
This seems like a sh*tty situation, but honestly, what can the WSOP do? Unless they can get that same deck back and check this guys glasses, it is going to be tough to do anything.
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06-04-2015 , 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by The4thFilm
A reason to ban sunglasses at the table? I'm in.
Yes, please!
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06-04-2015 , 10:44 AM
There are a number of pictures here of him - with glasses on and off (mainly on) - during the HU tournament

http://pokerphotoarchive.photoshelte...00yrrB.lQNTjg/

Last edited by ponyless; 06-04-2015 at 10:51 AM.
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06-04-2015 , 10:47 AM
i'm sure we'll find out in the next few days, but i'm guessing Coca hasn't received any of his "winnings". the fact that the WSOP staff was tipped off to his suspicious behavior makes me think they'd take the step of withholding payment until their investigation into the matter was complete.

if this is the case, it goes without saying that the players Coca "beat" should be made whole and receive their entire buy-ins back (and, of course, a voucher for a complimentary buffet ).

edit to say: i think if i was in a situation like this (and was an experienced poker beast like Connor), i would ask villain if he was cheating. i know that might sound off the wall (or inappropriate to some), but life has taught me to trust my instincts. i'm all for putting ppl on the spot, if you feel the situation warrants it. and you'll be able to tell, more often than not, what's up by villain's reaction (obv villain is going to say "No").

i wonder if Connor googled his name before the match. probably wouldn't have helped, though, b/c the cheating related link is in Czech (although this 2+2 thread is now on the top of page 2 for the google search "Valeriu Coca poker" ... and by the end of the day will be on page 1).

Last edited by ligastar; 06-04-2015 at 11:03 AM.
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06-04-2015 , 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by you_wot_m8
Check out these two pics of Keith vs Coca in their match. Look at Keith's hands...Clearly covering his hole cards entirely with his hands and giving the suspect stare right at Coca. Probably a good move by him even if Coca had already suspected they were onto him and had ceased with the marking. If he covers his cards quickly enough when they come off the deck then its much tougher for Coca to figure out what he has (obviously). Smart move by Keith, and good job on letting him know about this guy. I hope he not only gets banned but arrested and locked up. Seems obvious he's guilty.
Let me get this straight.

Keith Lehr, a known cheat in the US, is playing another known cheat from Europe in a 10K HU match.

Unbelievable

What could possibly go wrong?

Last edited by PTLou; 06-04-2015 at 10:59 AM.
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