In the Prague ban, he only needed 8 cards that he marked?

for sure interesting stuff, if the reflections become superhighlighted wearing glasses makes it much easier for the cheat for sure, gesturing, walking around and such stuff as he doesnt need perfect angles trying to snipe cards from sides if opponent intentionally or even unintentionally covers the cards

The best response so far.

Ruh Roh. Looks like he is just laughing at the allegations calling it "sour grapes". Rofl

http://www.pokernews.com/news/2015/0...-all-21773.htm

Agreed.
Players of the caliber of Connor and Prat don't just "imagine" that something weird is happening. They might not have worked out exactly how they were being cheated, but intuition (call it 'white magic' or 'brown magic', if you like) is a pretty important skill in poker.
As anyone who has ever had an unfaithful partner will attest, you might not literally catch your partner sleeping with someone else, but you'll have that feeling in your gut that tells you something's not right. You might lack solid evidence, but sometimes, you just know when someone's cheating.

One big tell of a cheat who is using some kind of card marking method is them being very passive early and playing very few hands and then doing the opposite after this. (which appears to have been the pattern in this alleged WSOP HU cheating scandal)

In a poker club in London that I used to play in a guy, who was definitely a fish from a playing skill point of view, used to come into the club in the early hours of the morning and play all of his hands blind in small stakes NLHE cash games and quite often he stacked a number of people at the table.

I saw him do this at £1/£1 NLHE a few times, and once in a £1/£2/£5 (4 card) PLO cash game, one that I was sitting in.

Occasionally in the NLHE game he would look at his cards after the flop or the turn.

I wasn't in the NLHE games when he was doing this but I was watching it and there was definitely something fishy going on.

Then one day he sat in the £1/£2/£5 PLO game I was playing in and played very few, if any, hands for a couple of orbits (looking at his hole cards during these two orbits) and then suddenly he's involved and playing a HU pot blind all the way through.

He appeared to be drunk or maybe high (this was almost certainly an act) and at showdown he turned his hole cards up one by one in a sort of stupid childish way, and lo and behold he wins the pot, (players' effective stack sizes are all in by the river), winning a big pot with top house.

Not only that, but he called near pot sized bets on both the flop and the turn.

This was all played blind by him and the pot I think was about £700.

The guy was a fish who was very weak at NLHE and completely clueless at PLO.

I raised my suspicions with a fellow player a few days later, but he said that he thought the guy just got lucky.

But I don't believe this, having seen him do a similar thing in the NLHE cash game. Also he was so blasé and relaxed throughout the whole of that PLO hand that he just must have known some or all of his own hole cards and probably some or all of his opponents.

(By the way, he wasn't wearing any sunglasses)

Two people in our Lithuanian community forum commented that they played with this guy in Cyprus last year cash games, and he was playing like a maniac, always raising when they didn't have it, but also thought that maybe he just had a tell or running good. Also they added that he was with some friend around 50y/o who was also suspicious

It would appear that cheating is a very significant part of the game, both live and on line.

It is quite disturbing that multiple on line poker operators and live competition organisations allow "convicted" players to still compete.

I also find it strange that someone like Daniel Negreanu in his article here http://fullcontactpoker.com/poker-jo...t_from=&ucat=& is grading cheats and stating in his opinion that some forms of cheating are less serious than others and that some cheaters can be forgiven (rehabilitated) more so than others.

Surely cheating is cheating....... is cheating.

Furthermore, once someone has cheated once, even in a "minor" way then this surely demonstrates that they have the capacity, and possible desire, to do so again.

There are so many forms of "cheating" in poker, some of it such as unfair use of on line software, and on line table collusion that on line operators turn a blind eye to or are lax in detecting, has or has almost been legitimised by the poker industry, so I don't think people should be as shocked about cheating or as outraged as they are in the main on this thread.

Cheating in poker is pretty similar to cheating in sports such as Athletics (Track & Field) and in cycling. People do it because they are lacking in personal ethics and then calculate that the risk reward of cheating is favourable to them.

So don't be so surprised when it rears its ugly ahead and also don't assume that it is a tiny minority of people who are doing it or trying to or planning to do it.

Poker is a fairly dirty, dog eat dog kind of game anyway, so if there is any activity or "sport" where cheating is going to be prevalent, then poker is it.

Because of this, perhaps poker coaches, poker books and training videos should also cover anti-cheating strategies and measures, and maybe there should also be a special award for the "cheat of the year" at poker awards ceremonies, because let's face it cheating is the unspoken about "skill", that no-one wants to mention until something like this high profile WSOP HU scandal arises.

Wouldn't u think if this guy cheated he would have checked out of the RIO by now?

The fact that he is still at the rio playing cash makes me lean towards believing that these players just got owned legitimately

Coca received his payout.

Coca is still in the Rio playing cash.

I highly doubt he cheated in any way considering he would have just left with his money.

Or he knows there is no evidence left to be found.

It would look even shadier if he snap-left too. Also, sagedonkey please stop posting, not the first time youre tarding up an nvg thread

well, he is now straight up lying, saying that he was banned in Prague for playing roulette. It would appear that this guy is just a shameless, very stupid cheat.

It's extremely suspicious that he snap calls a 20 BB shove with K5o (when, if he's marking the cards, he knows his opponent doesn't have an Ace or King), but then tank calls a 20 BB shove with ATo (when, if he's marking the cards, he knows his opponent has an Ace or King). Since we already know he's been barred in Europe for marking cards, and his actions in the HU were very suspicious, Bayes' Theorem tells us that it's more likely than not that he cheated.

Can't believe the WSOP actually let him collect his winnings already, given that they were notified and started an investigation before he busted, but that just goes to show how incompetent the people running WSOP are. Would love to see this guy's explanation on how he decided to reg a $10K HU when he has 0 previous cashes in buy-ins over $3k.

Obviously this could be edited in any way but I know if I had not cheated and had my money withheld for an investigation I would be ranting about the WSOP falsely holding my money in any interview.

If you would like to comment on some of my specific points by all means do so.

Otherwise I think you should refrain from acting like an imbecilic moron, which is frankly what you are doing.

Is this clear enough for you?

Exactly. Also, I think that the players playing this 10k event are capable of detecting when something fishy is going on.

Can't believe the WSOP didn't check the decks through his glasses and let him get his payout before investigating this.

If you were cheating and were on foreign soil would you rather get caught cheating and get all your money confiscated and locked up in jail

or leave and as you say it looks shady but people leave Vegas constantly

I just don't see how this guy stays even if there was a 1 % chance he gets caught

Are you sure it is Bayes Theorem , and not Occam's Razor that we should apply here ? or perhaps we all just wait and see if any , ANY proof at all turns up.Seems so far nil ,zip ,zero has -WSOP cant find anything , god knows they have tried .The "suspect" seems rather chill grinding the cash tables at Aria ,with his 5th place winnings in hand. Not fleeing the scene of the crime as most would expect a guilty person to do .So Im thinking this may prove to be a non event . But still its great thread fodder

it really sounds as if Jack Effiel mishandled the investigation by sweating V Coca's match versus Lehr...

better would been to have backed off and observed from eye in the sky...that is what is usually done to catch counters in blackjack...really surprised that wasn't done

could also have confiscated the cards after the Lehr match and inspected

WSOP bungled imho

I was assuming RJPOKER = Coca when he first posted.

Tone and style of Coca's comments on Pokernews seems similar RJPoker posts? Both seem to share a delusional arrogance.

Mod Question. Does RJPoker IP address = FL or NV ?

Surprised that Coca hasn't been banned by WSOP, if not for only for previous bans in other casinos but also all the suspicious activity in the 10K.

They ban (trespass) folks for suspicion of card counting all the time, yet let this guy stay and play at WSOP.

By Keith Lehrer intentionally covering his hole cards, he was basically giving his opponent a free pass.

He let him know the jig was up and not to do anything suspicious.

The right way to do this as others have said was to do nothing.

Alert wsop.

If anything is found to be wrong after the match Lehrs opponent would be disqualified.

That way they catch the cheater. This way they told him we suspect you so don't do it anymore.

http://www.pokernews.com/news/2015/0...s-up-21771.htm

Did they even try to talk to the guy involved? If the reporters can't track the guy down themselves can't the WSOP help them out and provide contact... is that allowed?

Was just about to type this. A guilty man would have taken his 55k and got the hell out of there asap and back home on a plane.
He says he is aware of the 'forums' so therefore would be semi aware that the RIO are currently searching for ink on cards, scrutinizing cameras etc. Im sorry, but a guilty man would not simply sit there in that much heat.

I played with him in Cyprus RPT cash games(5/10Eur NLH) in 2014 december, he was barely speaking english, just few random words, so it's unlikely that it's him. He was speaking only russian as well as his old suspicious friend. Coca was wearing those same glasses, playing veeery aggressive, but at that moment thought that's just pure luck and hotrun.