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Originally Posted by Kagome
Past few pages arent even about the RTA accusations, why tf are we discussing a LOL LIVE MTT hand from over a year ago when we already had a dedicated thread on it at the time
ali/brynn/jake ect.. must be thrilled
If OJ Simpson started a tweet storm about some accused murderer and how we cant let the US justice system let them off the hook...his past would in fact be extremely relevant to the conversation. Theres a high level of irony it was Foxen who kicked this off and it's hard not to see some projection from his end. Ironic in both that hes accusing others of cheating at a live MTT when he was credibly accused of the same, and that hes complaining that others use RTA while using a tool used in RTA (piosolver) as part of his argument.
Whole thing reeks of projection/misdirection on his end. Its a little like the boyfriend/girlfriend constantly paranoid his partner is cheating often has their own indiscretions going on...
And once again, it amazes me that people are asking like he has no upside to starting this **** and it was just his honor that forced him to do it. When hes a high stakes poker player trying to get some of his toughest competition banned.
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Berkey explains the current state of RTA pretty well I think in this video but one of the most salient points he makes is about what is available privately versus publically. People base what they think is being used against them on their own knowledge of what is available publically but the reality is before something becomes available publically it has most likely been available privately for a few years and what is currently available in private circles is light years ahead.
Berkely thinks theres 3-5 guys doing all the RTA stuff? If we go with the sites definition of using preflop charts, nash push/fold charts its probably at least 90% of the field using at least the minor RTA. Even for the more advanced stuff, I would assume most of the high stakes player use software. If someone offers to you to play chess against them online for $10,000 a match, its probably better to assume youre playing against Stockfish than to just trust its all on the honor system.
Again, Foxen pulls up pio to make his point here which is banned as RTA on these site terms, but he could easily run it from a second laptop next to him connected to a cloud instance. So we're asking high stakes players to play for tons of money on the honor system? It's just a plan that will never work.
And it's comically confusing that if you play too much like the solver, you must be using RTA so you're cheating. But if you dont play like the solver, you must have some outside information, so again, you're cheating.
Thats why I'm surprised this conversation has gone on as long as it has. Chess does not even bother with serious money in online tournaments. Poker is quickly catching up to chess in terms of computers being too good for even the best humans, and sooner or later, it will be too good for all humans. Probably sooner.
Again, HUDs are a form of RTA and if you watch Phil Galfond on runitonce videos or Nick Petrangelo on upswing, they are talking about their HUD usage and HUD plays and nobody seems to give it a second thought. So I'm a little lost on the "scandalous" nature of RTA when every pro has been doing RTA the whole time. The only thing thats changed is the RTA keeps getting better but its not like using a HUD wasnt a huge advantage the whole time.
I'm not saying this because I RTA online, I just dont play online other than messing around microstakes cause I'm too lazy to RTA but I assume winning players at a high level are RTAing.
Im sure some pros had some more custom software developed but it seems mostly irrelevant as pio/monker are already pretty good and you can connect to big beefy cloud instances and run spots reasonably fast if you keep abstraction simple. So while I dont doubt "private RTA is ahead of public RTA", public RTA is already so good it probably doesn't matter much. Snowie is also decent. Maybe the small details matter a little at the nosebleeds and thus justifying them getting more advanced stuff built, but I disagree with wherever Berkee wrote "oh you dont have to worry about low/mid stakes cause its not worth it." Because the public stuff out there is already good and affordable enough to beat the vast majority of human opponents.
And anyone who knows how software works understand that any anti-RTA measures the site could take are all easily circumvented. Things like checking the processes on the computer, a camera to see you, all these things are easily circumented. Simplest way is just a second laptop hooked up to a cloud instance next to your main laptop but there are 100 other options.
Ali and Jake maybe cheated, I don't know. If Paul Phua flashed his cards its not even totally clear to me thats Alis fault. Also, even with the card removal, that bluff could have gone poorly so its not crystal clear that it was purely a card removal play.
The only thing I know for sure is that the evidence that Ali cheated still seems much weaker than the evidence that Foxen cheated. So if we start this poker blacklist, perhaps Ali and Jake belong on it, but Foxen and Bicknell should be #2 and #3 on the list (Postle still the champion here).
