That worked great with Postle where the cases got thrown out immediately cause the state said they don't deal with gambling debts / losses or smthin along those lines

A) sue in a different state
B) sue federally

Cool, if “ICM” blesses collusion all is good, thanks!

Thread from Bonomo







Jake the snake being named now , so Ali + Jake who have already been rumoured since it happened - Can anyone verify Brynn Kenney as being one of them alongside the clip in OP from kilbane who named him

Cheating is cheating, if we're going to get holier-than-thou and suggest a crackdown, they should all go. I'm fine with banning Ali/Jake if there's sufficient evidence as long as Foxen and Bicknell get the ban first.

But to the extent there's poker etiquette around how bad various forms of cheating is, softplaying is absolutely considered a more egregious violation than RTA. Men Nguyen has been on the hot seat for years and banned from casinos over accusations of collusions with his "students". Meanwhile, half the coaches on run it once use HUDs, which is a form of RTA, and nobody cares. Are you seriously suggesting that very few players use push/fold charts when short stack in an online tournament? Because the vast majority of players do. And the spectrum from push/fold charts, HUDs to more advanced solver software is more of a spectrum than any sort of clear line. It's such a grey line that I would recommend avoiding online if you're not going to use any software because you are putting yourself at a massive disadvantage to the field who largely is, and has been doing so since 2004 or so.

There's one more thing, which usually when people do cheat, there's an aspect of "how likely am I to get caught." Foxen cheated when he was on video 3-handed with hole card cameras, he couldn't have been more in a position to lay low a little bit and yet he still decided to cheat in plain view. Now you're telling me this upstanding guy, who just pulled up a solver in this twitter thread to analyze a spot, would never, ever use a solver while he was playing online? Even though you could trivially get a second laptop hooked up to a cloud instance and run all the solver spots you want with absolutely no chance of being caught? Because I find the idea that the same guy who cheats while everyone is watching but would never cheat with nobody watching to be laughable.

End of the day, the chop offer is entirely irrelevant, and does not legitmize cheating after it was declined. Foxen cheated and now turns around and says we should ban cheaters, and his evidence consists of someone successfully bluffing in a spot where a solver wouldnt bluff. It's pretty telling that the same guy who would _never_ use RTA finds it suspicious when someone else doesnt play like the RTA would tell them to.

Finally, this idea that "I don't like Foxen but I give him credit for speaking up" is bullshit, because he's trying to get some of his toughest opponents banned. If Matt Savage decided to say something, that would reflect courage. Foxen doesn't get credit for "speaking out" when he has a very strong financial incentive to do so. Courage from Foxen would be takign accountability for the softplay in the tournament and forfeiting the prize money from that tournament, and either not playing in the same tournaments as Bicknell or playing against her for real.

Btw, as other noted, checking down with an all-in player is an ICM play plus more often than not it's an empty side pot there's no incentive to steal. Another misdirection that anybody who knows poker should recognize as bullshit.

Nothing new since this 'drama' has been discussed to death over the years / old thread had infinite posts but foxens stance on that FT situation (and krissy as well on joeys pod before)



Was a thread + doug polk video + back and forths on twitter + multiple? Joey podcasts with krissy and foxen where this was discussed already

What other situations of collusion are acceptable because, hey, it’s an “ICM play”?

Also just for context on timing in this, Schindler won the $250k super high roller bowl europe for 3.2 million last week and Ali had quite a few FTs as well

The whole high roller community just about, are lying cheating scumbags who swap with each other and then soft play while they are at the same table. Not to mention this latest shitstorm with the accusations against Ali. Now Jake is being called out as well? Nooooo, call me shocked to hear that!!

What a joke this community is.

They should call the poker blacklist Schindler's list.

Bonomo’s misdeeds are long enough ago that he doesn’t feel funny about calling people out I guess?

living up to your screen name I see

You're just throwing about nonsense like you usually do now.

Swapping pieces isn't unethical.

Show me several instances of soft playing between people you know who have swapped a piece.

The "whole high roller community"? Really? How would you even know!?

You've also thrown out your standard insinuation in this thread that Nick Vertucci is cheating, with absolutely zero evidence. Your obsession with him is so strange.

If you're so ashamed/disgusted with this community of ours why do you still be a part of it?

Some cliffs from berkeys podcast today where he was talking about what he knew --


"I've heard horror stories from a past horse of (Brynn kenney) about RTA, screen sharing , knowing others hole cards (sharing among other horses) ,
sketchy things with his whole down-line (affiliate link/members i assume) Just a bunch of inflamatory stuff about edge seeking and cheating in regards to
Brynn and Jake.

I've heard Jake is the most egregious RTAer and had the most funds seized when all of the accounts were banned - when we saw Ali + Jake and other accounts banned on the same day.
The problem is all of these guys run stables and have lots of horses playing "



"What I can say is that the RTA that is being used is very concentrated among established and accomplished players who are very good at this game and have very extended networks (i.e staking) - From my understanding it is pretty widespread shared among these pools of players. I also understand there is a lot of ghosting and accounting sharing in deep runs. The RTA is very sophisticated not something we have seen public before "


"Brynn Kenney has been ghosting people in online poker tournaments since 2005"
"I skipped all the online 2k,5k,10ks for covid WSOP because I heard people buying accounts and these same names that always coming up being guilty of chopping away at any possible ev you might have through scrupulous means"


Berkey also said "Soon I know the other shoe will drop and then I can name the names I know of who runs the stables, who distributes the RTA, who buys the wsop accounts etc but I can't because its hard to come out without other people co-operating stories with evidence to have a meaningful impact. You need multiple people with the same information to come out together"

this post is so pathetic and lazy

yep. someone like Seidel an even a bigger legend in my mind if that's possible

Berkey podcast the group also brought up Foxen drama again ,

Talking about how if there was intentional cheating that Foxen & Krissy wouldn't have offered to chop with the 3rd player (kahle burns?) , wouldn't have disclosed to him how much % they have of each other , and he was happy for people to break down all of their hands to prove where they were cheating. The main hand that blew up cause Doug made a video of the hand like 4 years ago isn't a snap all in when ICM is involved. Also Christian soto mentions (which we also see in joeys podcasts with them) that their offices are opposite ends of the house when grinding online as well.

Another decent point brought up was if this was two roomates or friends who swapped playing 3 handed they wouldn't have had anywhere near the amount of hate and accusations thrown at them compared to a couple who makes it 3 handed




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Just adding these since basically same points brought up and argued to death in previous thread ~3-4-5 years ago when the event actually happened and some people might be newer to hearing about it

Offering to make a deal doesn't mean they didn't softplay each other (cheat) after the deal was rejected

The person who said these high rollers are largely a joke with a bunch of people who all have pieces of each other is absolutely correct

You have final tables where guys have less than ten percent of themselves and pieces of a bunch of others at the table.Its completely unethical.

How do you know they have less than 10% of themselves? Genuine question.

Or is it more likely you’re just making it up?

I said it and you're exactly right.

The high roller community is a disgrace to poker. The person who wrote that Seidel should be even more respected is so right. He is one of the few you never hear anything shady about. I don't see him playing that many of the events in recent years, obv just speculation but I'm sure he knows what's going on with most of the players. All the swapping and soft playing and cheating.

But the vast majority are pure scum.

Right, pot meet kettle.

and yet they are the players that PokerGo and others will hold up as the untouchable gold standard "high roller" players who can do no wrong at the table and who are apparently just leaps and bounds ahead of everyone. Would be a big wound to that image if more of this comes out.

Funny I was thinking the exact same thing. Reminds me of Harvey Weinstein, so many insiders inside Hollywood(and outside for that matter) knew what he did to women and how disgusting he was, But yet everyone stayed silent and Weinstein kept getting recognized and awarded for years and years. Gotta protect that Hollywood image right?

PokerGo does the same thing. Makes these cheating scumbags seem like they are the creme de la creme of poker. The GOLD STANDARD!! Meanwhile this whole high roller community with a couple of exceptions are some of the biggest POS out there. The collusion, the cheating, etc... it's disgusting.

Re how widespread RTA is.

A year ago I was offered to use RTA by someone I had met in a poker discord group and known for years.

They offered me the software for free and the deal was 50/50 split of the profit, and they would put the money up for me to play on bovada up to 5/10nl.

I declined and don’t play online much anymore when I learned how easy it is to get RTA.

Wonder if the guy I know was under Ali/Schindler.

What was his name?