Yeah, a lot of people will collude in a spot that makes sense to.

And yes, a lot of people will also use computers to help them analyze spots when playing for large amounts of money online. A lot of players will also note when a dead card gets flashed.

I'm with you all there. Where I'm lost is why the most flagrant and clear cut form of cheating is forgivable and understandable, but the more ambiguous and less clear-cut form of cheating is horrible and requires the ban hammer. Let's also note the obvious, Ali has been crushing the same high rollers Foxen plays in and Foxen is highly incentivized to not have to play against this guy.

Are we ok with minor cheating, or not? Because it seems to depend on who is the person doing it.

I've been accused of being biased against Foxen even though all his defenders seem to simultaneously think his form of clear-cut cheating is "just how it goes", while the opponents he wants banned for much less clear-cut reasons is necessary and furthermore he's brave for calling them out (even though he's highly incentivized to get rid of his high-skill opponents).

Only conclusion I can come to is Foxen has some ridiculous little fan club because the arguments for why he gets a pass for flagrant cheating but he also gets to ban others for maybe-kinda cheating seems to rest upon smoke and mirrors.

from Foxen's tweet:

"...and many suspicious changes in play from people known to be his horses when deep in online MTTs"

WTF do you mean it does not compare? Granted, Foxen and Bicknell do not have a staker/horse relationship, but Foxen and Bicknell have definitely had "suspicious changes in play when deep in an MTT".

So, yes, it is a direct comparison and is hypocritical for Foxen to call someone out for softplaying vs someone deep in an MTT.

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My argument would be that absolutely everyone (again literally, as in *everyone*) would do what Foxen and Bicknell did. Everyone would not do what Imsirovic was banned on GG for (RTA use). Or Schindler (RTA, VPN'ing). Thus we can be softer towards Foxen/Bicknell and harder towards Imsirovic/Schindler.

Now, that whole premise rests on my assumptions actually being true (that everyone would do what Foxen/Bicknell did and that not everyone would do what Imsirovic/Schindler did), but I do think it is.

There is absolutely no ****ing chance I would ever do what Foxen and Bricknell did. That's just such an unbelievably ridiculous take that everybody would softplay vs each other. That AA vs JJ hand is absolute jokes.

Yeah I could be wrong, that's fine.

This poker forum is full of ******** saints!

I think you are on this one buddy, but not to worry, you're normally right

The Foxen/Bicknell hand has been beaten to death. Let's hear more about Foxen's online scummy play.......

coming up

Yes they made it clear they were a couple and had pieces of each other and the 3rd player should have taken the deal. But the 3rd player did nothing unethical and they did by clearly soft playing each other.

sorry but plenty of people aren't scumbags- granted tons of poker players are complete scum.

im not sure there's a way to quantify it but i think using rta online is magnitudes worse than soft playing your horse in an mtt. it's just an opinion tho ofc


there was a thread a few months back about some young kid who binked a high roller or smt just telling his horses directly to use vision while 1-2 tabling hsplo on ACR or w/e. Pure and probably unfair speculation but i think brynn seems exactly like the kind of guy that could rationalize this to himself as well (having his horses cheat)

Of course- anyone playing online today that thinks their isn't a massive amount of RTA and collision is naive at best.

Exactly. Are we supposed to absolve Foxen and Bicknell because they offered a stupid chop deal? The 3rd player said no so they both collude and soft play totally tarnishing the game. And there are people in this thread defending this!!

Seriously as I've posted before poker is a rotting cesspool of scum.

yeah i was just skimming the thread and it seemed like ppl were trying to draw parallels or discredit bonomo/foxen, the way i see it is


Foxen/Bickell<<<<<<<<<<bonomo<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<rta

So anytime 2 players "soft play" in a 3-person field is cheating? How about when the 3rd player is all-in and the other two just check-check-check it all way down, that's soft play cheating in your book right? Surely collusion at a minimum according to you. GTFO.

no you gtfo.
Colluding with someone is completely different than using a standard tournament strategy anyone uses based on ICM that you'll do with everyone.

Pathetic how this discussion has swifted to Foxen.

Ali’s cheating is known by all the high roller regulars, and they are saying it’s 100% sure. Maybe Foxen was the first to get tired of the cheater’s smirk and all the hype PokerGo is building around this scumbag.

Imsirovic seeing one/two of Phuas holecars COULD be excused btw, I mean you glance down and see it once and then not say anything, whatever I guess.

But him returning the next day with glasses on? lmaooo he's ready to be peekin'!

If I was Phua I'd find one peek excusable but the return with the glasses.... bruuuhhhhh... I wonder if we'll ever see Imsirovic at another Triton-related event.

Foxen has repeatedly posted outrageous lies to social media that threaten the lives of millions of people. I don't see why he should have any credibility on anything. He really shouldn't be allowed in a casino given the health risk that people like him represent.

Finally, All it takes is someone to say a name instead of rumours for a year+ and some people with platforms will maybe start saying something since they can 'safely' get some views from it

Really is hilarious. Doug loves to act like a moderate/independent yet waits for others to open the discussion before making a clickbait video for views. He’s worse than MSM in this regard lol.

If you think you have been cheated and that you have good evidence , and you live in America , simply sue the person you think of cheating. You don’t have to hire a lawyer. You might even be able to get access to their computers. Then , call them cheaters and know that you’re correct. If we had a bunch of cheaters lose in court it would be great