Being cold and ruthless is inherent in the majority of people's natures. You only have to look at people's behaviour on a crowded transport network to see this come out, and if ever there was some major crisis in shortage of water or food you would see a lot of cold, heartless, selfish behaviour.

To optimise profits and success in live cash poker one has to bring these negative character traits to the fore or if one doesn't naturally possess them, then to manufacture them.

Tournament poker is slightly different due to less direct person on person pain being caused.

There was a water crisis here in Vancouver a few years back, when a mudslide fouled the main pumping station for our water supply.

There were public fistfights over bottled water by the end of the first day.

I just updated the entry. The previous entry wasn't complete so I added detail.

Here's what is there now:

Sorry for the bump, but it's relevant. I know it's a new account but I thought I'd make an account to bring this to some of the community's attention.

Anybody notice Alec Torelli has AGAIN re-edited his Wikipedia page (I assume it's him as it's always the same IP address doing this) to not only hock his new training site (not a big deal imho), but more importantly totally re-framed what actually happened in the "controversy" section? And deleted previous edits from the 2+2 community members here that describe what ACTUALLY happened.

Again he blames Doug Polk and prattles on about this and that and minor things he did or didn't do, writing about stuff that isn't really relevant to what happened.

His total disregard for the casual player Wolff still just makes me so angry! His continued attempts to re-frame the situation (and blame someone really unrelated to the situation who didn't say anything at all untrue nor misrepresent the situation at all) for his predicament has led me to make an account just to bring this to the communities attention. It's sickening honestly. If he had just manned up this all would've blown over in a day (if even that long).

Would anybody with Wikipedia skills either reverse Torelli's edit or just write (unbiasedly as possible please, no need to demonize him) what REALLY happened that day. Perhaps dispute his edits too. The stuff related to Polk is really not relevant in the section at all to begin with.

Perhaps, anyone else think that the stuff with the chip dumping/scamming that guy's backer should be added to the section? Maybe not, but his continued attempts to cover up his angle just makes me furious.

So sickening. This isn't a dupe/mult btw. Just a casual losing player who's fed up with someone taking total advantage by angling then having no remorse and continuing to cover up his faux pas (and that word is being generous).

Sorry for the bump but I think anybody who cares about this deserves to notice. Cheers!

"After embarrassing him in a huge hand of Poker that was streamed on the popular website Twitch, where Torelli made one of the best calls in the history of poker, poker arch nemesis Doug Polk made a questionable video accusing Torelli of angle shooting another professional poker player. Many accused Polk of making the video out of spite and jealousy for being outplayed in public, especially because the hand in question happened a year earlier. There was no controversy about the hand until Polk's video was released on YouTube."

LMAO ARE U ****ING JOKING. PLZ SOMEBODY GO EDIT HIS WIKI, IM PUKING

Thanks for the heads up. Fixed.

LordQuas878

Good first post.

doing gods work my friend

its criminal if the yoga pic isnt on his wiki

It used to be, but Wiki Commons rejected it because there is no permission from the rights holder (Alec) to use it.

Since there's an ongoing edit war, we're playing by the rules.

This thread currently has ~30% the posts of Doug Lees HOF thread :Doug Lee, biggest toolbox ever?.

Torellis hit 1500 posts 2.5x as quickly though.

Perhaps Doug Lee is not the biggest tool box ever.

Cheers Mate!

Torelli is a soulless vulture. Unfortunately this isn't a bad thing in america.

You're all just hatin' on him coz he first classes on the reg with his sisterwife.

Has anyone looked into the IP address to see if it is, in fact, Torelli? Or at least some assistant/pawn that Yoga Boy hires to handle his image control? (And yeah, I know it's not a perfect method, but it would give us a clue.)

I'm not sure how I would rank the following scenarios in terms of sadness:

a) Alex watches and maintains his own Wikipedia entry.
b) Alex hires an assistant who watches and maintains the entry.
c) Alex has a loyal fanboy who, with no instruction nor compensation from Alex, watches and maintains the entry.

Soulless Vulture is actually a way better poker brand name than Conscious Poker or most any other poker brand name, not only is it punchy and memorable but it also describes most professional poker players at heart.

I'd go as far as saying that any pro who isn't a soulless vulture is not maximising their +EV as they should be.

P.S. I am not condoning or advocating any angling, cheating or rule bending but poker is 100% a combative, take no prisoners, exploitation of others, ruthless "sport".

I'd go as far as saying SD is definitely goin' out on a limb with that bold statement of his. Such raw courage needs to be applauded, if one cares what SD will go so far as to say.

I think it is hilarious that he claims a "poker arch nemesis", what comic book does he picture in his head when he writes that stuff.

Go Srsly.... "cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war. That his foul, left-handed deed shall smell above the earth."

Pretty sure Alex himself is doing the edits. Negative comments below his youtube videos are being deleted as well and he was pretty active there in replying to his fanboys. Also, he seems like the kind of guy who visits his own wikipedia page five times daily.

Another wikipedia page he might should have a look at:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder

DSM-5 criteria:
- Grandiosity with expectations of superior treatment from other people
- Fixated on fantasies of power, success, intelligence, attractiveness, etc.
- Self-perception of being unique, superior, and associated with high-status people and institutions
- Needing continual admiration from others
- Sense of entitlement to special treatment and to obedience from others
- Exploitative of others to achieve personal gain (10k tho)
- Unwilling to empathize with the feelings, wishes, and needs of other people
- Intensely envious of others, and the belief that others are equally envious of them
Pompous and arrogant demeanor

"[...] the person with narcissistic personality disorder usually exhibits a fragile ego (Self-concept), an inability to tolerate criticism, and a tendency to belittle others in order to validate their own superiority."
"[...] To the extent that people are pathologically narcissistic, they can be controlling, blaming, self-absorbed, intolerant of others' views, unaware of others' needs and the effects of their behavior on others, and insist that others see them as they wish to be seen."

Confirmed imo.

Realizing the Editing Wars are still ongoing, you have to admire the troll-la-la-la-la wording of this. Fanning the flames imo.

I'm not sure that I agree with that, but I guess it depends on your personality. After all, fighters who are friends can beat the crap out of each other in the ring or the octagon, and still remain friends.

I don't think of a poker tournament as any different than a chess tournament. There is a buy-in, there are multiple players and if you finish high enough in the standing, you get back more than your buy-in.

When I'm at the same poker table as a family member (two of my sons play) I'm just trying to make the best plays and get into the top three where the big money is. I don't care whether I'm heads-up with my son or some guy that hates my guts. I don't tilt or worry about that stuff. I just want to win.

"You play

to win

the game"--Herman Edwards

https://search.tb.ask.com/search/vid...&st=sb&tpr=sbt

Can't tell if people are trolling when they say Alec is editing his own wiki page. Did you see what the edit was? It's obviously tounge in cheek, which is something Alec would NOT do. Specifically mentioning the JJ hand and then calling it "the best call in the history of poker" is obv a joke, how autistic are all of you doug polk fanboys?

Alex has a narcisstic personality disorder, he totally meets the criteria I listed a few posts above. And now get the **** outta here you autistic Alex fanboy.

Can people please stop quoting sagedonkey

Ugh, his mannerisms and ways of expressing himself are so tilting.