Didnt he also angle Ashton Griffin on a prop bet way back in the day...

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Um yea he did Bro

Per Viffer...

Actually Alec did the same thing, he mmade a bet with ashman, totally lied about his skill level and made ashman make a bad bet about a triaathalon after bet was made no money posted, ashman finds out alec mis represented the facts ashman wanted out of bet and alec wouldnt let him. ashman ended paying off full amount i believe or close to it with out even running race.

I think alecs ethics change alot depending on who it benniofits.

It is some of NVG with a low attention span and yes I write a lot of words sometimes but still 1/5th of most blog posts you'll see.

I don't have an opinion on the specific measurement of my brightness, it is all relative. Many people make me look like an intellectual pygmy, but not many on NVG or many poker players do, because as a group they are not as a generalisation the brightest bunch in society. You don't need to be to play the parasitical game of professional poker.

I am not particularly clever at lots of stuff, but it doesn't take a lot of intelligence to work out that being prompted by an app with a hand decision in live poker is tantamount to cheating. If anyone would like to explain why it isn't, please feel free to go ahead.

Bottom line: poker players and the poker industry need to cut the crap and stop pretending that the game is clean and noble because much of the time it is not, it is badly tarnished in one way or another. There are so many bad things about the way it is run and regarding players being able to behave unethically with almost complete impunity.

When I play I have my eyes wide open about all of the above, which is why I compartmentalise poker as a strange and separate little universe that resembles a war zone when you are inside it.

Not sure if the above is a level or perhaps you've been fortunate to play in some games where most of the players are fair. The amount of angling and cheating I have seen is huge and that is only what I managed to spot so there must have been way more.

As I alluded to, angling and cheating is almost encouraged by the fact that it's not policed or punished properly. So expect people to do it, even people who started out as honest individuals but then bowed to temptation.

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My real problem with Alec is that when he sets up prop bets, he doesn't hustle, he just straight up lies about the facts. The bet with Ashman is a good example, he says im not a good runner, when he had previously completed a triathlon in which he had to run 5 miles. Considering the general public is lucky to be able to run 1 mile at any kind of pace, just being able to run 5 miles with out stopping makes you a good runner. He hustled a tennis bet with my brother where he said he wasn't very good at tennis(total bull****). He then wanted to play me heads up in poker and since the last time we played i was totally blasted and he called me every 5 minutes harassing me to leave the club to play him, I told him he had to do 4 shots before the match. He bitches and whines saying he drinks like 2 times a year, at the time i didn't really think about it much, i just believed him. But then i started thinking, when we were in cancun he got hammered every night, when we were in Hawaii he drank a bottle of wine every night at dinner, and when I met up with him in Milan he was talking about what a wine connoisseur he was, then boosted J said he had seen him out partying too. So that statement to me was an absolute lie as well, honestly the perky thing isn't nearly as scummy to me as him lying to his friends to win bets, its basically stealing.

Or maybe he'll say the silvers came from Christian Lusardi and thus were worthless.

I was just kidding around actually. Wanted to push a button and see what kind of responses it produced. Surprisingly mature and even keel. Nvg losing its appeal.

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Less talk and more creativity itt pls
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Aristotle said, "To avoid criticism say nothing, be nothing, do nothing".

Alec Storetelliar has proved Aristotle wrong!

Mods: The thread title should be changed to "Alec Torelli allegedly cheats".

The behaviour that has been alleged (and fairly convincingly documented) post-OP is not angle shooting, it's outright cheating. Please change the thread title now to reflect the seriousness of the allegations, and then separately you can consider whether to remove "allegedly" or not.

I think there is definitely more than enough evidence to remove 'allegedly'

Sorry to break it to you, but Aristotle didn't say that.

Fred Aristotle, the nighttime attendant at my local Sunoco station, says that all the time. It's like his favorite phrase or something.

Coincidence? I think not.

I said this, almost exactly, and was accused of blaming rape victims for being raped. I think it just goes to show who has actually played in a high stakes live game ITT, because if you ask 50 guys who have ever actually played a game like this the response is gonna be 99% "Gahhh that sucks dude you gotta check the stack size though"



This wasn't his point at all. What this basically says is that if you're clever enough to angle then you should do it, which is 100% not what i said, and unless I've mis-read the above post, not at all what COCO was saying either.


Alec is a smarmy little prick, just his face has tilted me for as long as I've known, he probably thinks deep down he is so ****ing clever and is sat at home right now just smiling to himself about his antics. Hate these guys, 2009 there were hardly any of them about, then by 2013 poker was full of them, the thought of some smarmy guy sat in front of his computer smiling about how clever he is after btn'ing me used to drive me morning drinking.

We're nearing a month now, and Torelli has essentially "dropped out" of his online presence. Even his regular viewers are probably starting to ask where is he.

What I am saying is that in my experience many players are trying to angle/cheat on a regular basis in live cash games (not me, I should add), so when we are in a live game, at any stakes, we should be constantly aware of this. It is a big part of the dynamic of live poker, an environment frequented by a not insignificant percentage of shady characters who will try to win by any means.

To assume that all players at the table are playing the game fair would be like entering a boxing ring and assuming that your opponent will never low blow, head butt or punch after the end of round bell.

Right but at the end of Million Dollar Baby we aren't all "sorry Hillary Swank, you should have protected yourself. You were told to PROTECT YOURSELF AT ALL TIMES Hillary Swank! That's on you!"

I've played live poker for over 40 years. I do not think the degree of cheating is as large a part of the live game environment at my low stakes as you cite. My belief is that a not insignificant % of the shady characters you cite are trying to win in low stakes by a variety* of means, most of which are not very effective. Cheating seems pretty far down the list at the low stakes I play live.

*("Trying to win by any means" in stakes like $1-2 typically smacks of an impatient air of entitlement and manifests itself by stupid bluffing attempts or overly aggressive raising.)

http://viz.co.uk/mr-logic-gets-pulled-speeding/

He is allowing this to destroy him

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x-rKZpSsHjE

tortellinis response, haven't watched it yet. love the title though

he also posted this:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wivSoxwaPXM

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35 minutes? Good lord