Seriously?

Fantastic! Love it!

We need "Go and Let the Law Decide" on the Torelli wheel, and of course on t-shirts!

Thank you for the first paragraph above as I wasn't familiar with this particular definition of cynicism(from dictionary.c o m)...
" 2. showing contempt for accepted standards of honesty or morality by one's actions, especially by actions that exploit the scruples of others."

But everything you've said above is just a surmise and maybe a projection of yourself. Really, making these broad generalizations without supporting data is, I suspect, useless, except for maybe revealing one's own views.

I do agree, however, that the best thing about this thread and Doug's video is that they will warn people who may play alec in the future to be on guard for angling. It should affect his winrate.

Thank you, and great work!

well written, poorly rapped over a wack beat. much more than i would have expected from a random! B+. please keep contributing

for those curious how expertise breath control and precision sounds it's something like:

(try rapping along, especially verse #2)

east coast boom bap - PM to the AM.

I'm very pleased at how much hate Turdrelli is getting. I hope that and this thread never ends.

Well played sir.




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Now is when the thread voting starts

The rap was mostly meh, but it doesn't matter. Love it! LOLTURDELLI

Torelli can still offer up a non-apology that addresses the issue without coming out and admitting to angle shooting and going north. It won’t get past the cynics in this thread but he was never going to get most of you in his camp anyway. He just wants to hold on to the 30,000 subs he has as a means to stay high enough on the searches to keep getting rando viewers and pick up more fans here and there.

If I was his PR rep I would suggest something along these lines:

1. Contact Wolf and contact PNIA. Offer to cover $10K for Wolf if the two of them appear on the show again. Better still, get Polk at the table too. PNIA/Kimo Sabe would jump at it knowing the viewership would be the best they have ever seen.

2. Alec announces it as part of his non-apology which consists of his A) Acknowledging the uproar in the poker community. B) Acknowledging his role in allowing it to continue by his not addressing in appropriately. C) Reminding the viewers that the floor ruled he did nothing wrong but that he still wants to make things right and D) Announcing that he has spoken to Wolf and PNIA and they all agreed that it would be a wonderful thing for the poker community if he and Wolf would be at a future table together and that he would cover $10K of whatever Wolf’s buyin would be.

I know. It sounds like utter b.s. and I was never in his camp to begin with so I really don’t care what happens to him. But, what mass marketed non-apology isn’t b.s.? People that go into this thinking Alec is the anti-Christ won’t change their opinion regardless of what he says. So go after the ones who think he was a douche but is redeemable. Happens all the time.

The floor did not rule that he did "nothing wrong".

I don't want to watch it again but I think the floor ruled based on false information provided by Torelli that Wolf misread his stack when in fact Torelli hid 10,000 in chips so that much of his stack was out of view.

Floor did not know Torelli 10k was hidden.

Floor stated stacks on table were in play but left it up to Torelli and Wolf to decide. Wolf basically wasn't sure how in the wrong or the right he was at the time and thus didn't plead his case to floor.

Dan Wolf is a friend of mine and a confirmed quirky character. Those of you interested in hearing more from him should check out his interview on episode #214 of the Thinking Poker podcast. Unfortunately, however, this Torelli incident was never brought up by the host and therefore went unaddressed.

So scumbaggy of Torelli to rat hole his big denomination chips behind other chipstacks, and then say in video "He misread my stack", what a clown, Torelli hid his big chips in the back behind other chips! That is not a stack misread. Well played angle-shooting scum!

Yeah, don't quite get the point of Guards Red's post.

REMINDER:

Alec Torelli went North before angleshooting Wolf.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/58450160

If he didn't go North for 5k, Wolf would had 5k more.

This is, without a doubt, angleshooting by Alec Torelli.

There is a video I saw somewhere, that stood out as a little shady of Torelli putting chips on the table. I'm going on memory. It's a PNIA telecast that starts with Hellmuth on a cell phone talking loudly to Negreau during the beginning of the vid. Torelli I believe loses a hand early on. Players are distracted. He goes into his pocket and puts two big chips onto the table that now through a retrospective lens looks a little surreptitiously. He also pulled change back and glances around the table while doing both.

There is a rather long pause before he announces he chipped up.

Think the video is relevant for a couple of reasons. Not saying he was trying to get away with going North there and saw somebody's eyes on him and he announced, though it's possible. It's also possible he recognized at that moment he could get away with doing that in the future. But most importantly, note the placement of the big chips before he says anything, going on memory here, but think it stood out to me because maybe they were at the bottom of a stack, and definitely not obvious.

By the same token, here he does announce his new chips in play, though no idea why the pause before doing so. He obviously is quite familiar with the process of putting big chips on the table, so if that is one of his long waited for excuses (which probably won't come) I don't think that's acceptable.

It's a shame the nickname Angleshooting Al is already taken. If you play cards in detroit at night you know this guy.

There has been a steady stream of comments about Alec not responding to Doug's video and in general, not attempting to make things right. My post was just one way in which he can begin to rehabilitate himself in a community that will allow him to be rehabilitated.

In the PR world, non-apology apologies work. Unless you are Paula Deen or Kramer, you'll be fine if you half-ass address the matter and give the public a spectacle to enjoy. Alec can do that by getting back on PNIA with Wolf, paying at least 10K towards his buy-in and offering up a half assed non-apology. This whole thing will be forgotten until the next time he angle shoots.

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And while the larger chips should have been out in front, ultimately, it's on Wolf to know the stack size of his opponent. Idk what Torelli plays, but anyone who plays limit games/mix likes to keep the larger checks closest to them, rather than out front. So as more NLHE players are making the transition to the other games, it will remain incumbent and more important for big bet players to ascertain stack sizes in advance of action.

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What the **** -- do you play poker?

Initially, I thought it was an inadvertent angleshot. After hearing that he added chips without notifying the gamerunners and added to exceed the table max buy-in, I now believe it was a huge double angle. I think he hid the chips to avoid getting called out for adding chips, not to intentionally misrepresent his stack size. The misrepresentation was a side effect of the initial angle. He should definitely make it right to Wolf. He broke the rules by exceeding the max buy in. No one knew it at the time, so they could not rule against him.

Hi Alec glad you finally responded. Although decidedly unworthy the wait.


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~2:50 in that video.